Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition

[Ruhskins]

I think only a moron would suggest that MS should be fired. However, I think fans are more upset at the lack of competitiveness that the team has shown in the past three loses.

Rebuilding takes times, but I would really like to see this team put up a fight every Sunday and not lay down on the ground like they did on Sunday.

[REDSKINS4ever]

It doesn't appear to be the coaching that's the problem. It's the players the coaches have chosen to place on the football field who aren't executing. For two straight games, Ryan Torain hasn't found any room to run the football. It can be assumed that the o-line to some part is not only allowing penetration, but they are not executing their zone blocks well enough to get to the second level in order for the running play to have success. It's due to the players that are on the field.

[Dirtbag59]

I classify Synder's coaches into three categories.

"Big named guys that I won't fire unless I absolutely have to" - Joe Gibbs, Mike Shanahan, Steve Spurrier.

"My way or the highway" type guys - Marty and to a lesser extent GW

"Guys that are just happy to be here." - Jim Zorn

The guys in the first category do not get fired before their contract is up or they resign voluntarily. These are the guys that Snyder is infatuated with and very loyal too.

Then theres guys like Marty and GW, who Snyder only respects for their football knowledge but is much more willing to fire them or worst yet, not even hire them.

Anyone who fits the bill for the third category is likely to be on the hot seat sooner then later.

[Shadowbyte]

So far the Shannahans haven't performed better than Steve Spurrier, Norv Turner, Schottenheimer, or Jim Zorn. These guys are a complete joke. This year had a great class of QB's who have all shown promise and expedient progress; Newton, Dalton, Ponder, Locker including Ryan Mallet. And guess what, we didn't get any of them. All of them are much better than what we have now. For Shannahan to miss out on all of them proves that the game has passed him by.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

So far the Shannahans haven't performed better than Steve Spurrier, Norv Turner, Schottenheimer, or Jim Zorn. These guys are a complete joke. This year had a great class of QB's who have all shown promise and expedient progress; Newton, Dalton, Ponder, Locker including Ryan Mallet. And guess what, we didn't get any of them. All of them are much better than what we have now. For Shannahan to miss out on all of them proves that the game has passed him by.

Shanahan never had a chance at Newton and Locker. They were off the board before we made a selection. Dalton and Ponder are playing on teams that have more playmakers and are more talented than we are. Nobody has seen anything of Ryan Mallet.

But go ahead. Call for the firing of Mike Shanahan. Then give the next guy 23 games before calling for his head.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

So far the Shannahans haven't performed better than Steve Spurrier, Norv Turner, Schottenheimer, or Jim Zorn. These guys are a complete joke. This year had a great class of QB's who have all shown promise and expedient progress; Newton, Dalton, Ponder, Locker including Ryan Mallet. And guess what, we didn't get any of them. All of them are much better than what we have now. For Shannahan to miss out on all of them proves that the game has passed him by.

Has Locker even played yet???


If Dan fired MS right now, who do you think would even want to come to this team?

I am just as frustrated as the next guy but it is going to take time plain and simple.

[NC_Skins]

Five questions facing the Redskins | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner


Good article posted by Matty in the other section.

2 How long is John Beck's leash? He had one decent game in Carolina and one bad game in Buffalo. Should we really be talking about a possible benching already? He needs more help from his teammates; they also need more from him. But if they're struggling Sunday vs. San Francisco -- a good defense -- and if Beck is off again, then change is fair. Beck deserves to see how he recovers -- that was only his sixth NFL start -- but he needs a good outing.

3 What can spark a turnaround? Playmakers. The Redskins don't have them on offense, so it must come from the defense and special teams. They have numerous playmakers on defense: corner DeAngelo Hall, safety LaRon Landry, etc. Somehow they must come up with more plays to put the offense in good situations. You know, like they did in the first half vs. Buffalo. Oops. Also, Brandon Banks needs a big return. This team needs a major spark, and he can provide one.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Five questions facing the Redskins | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner


Good article posted by Matty in the other section.

The thing I've seen though in watching Beck is how accurate and quick his release is. I mean the foundation is there with the work ethic, quick release, and mobility. If we can get back to playing Redskin football (running the ball, controlling the clock, playing good defense) then Beck will become an asset.

Honestly after watching Campbell's slow release, McNabb's ground balls, and Rex's wobblers, Beck's passes have become a welcome sight.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The thing I've seen though in watching Beck is how accurate and quick his release is. I mean the foundation is there with the work ethic, quick release, and mobility. If we can get back to playing Redskin football (running the ball, controlling the clock, playing good defense) then Beck will become an asset.

Honestly after watching Campbell's slow release, McNabb's ground balls, and Rex's wobblers, Beck's passes have become a welcome sight.

But his issue's still remain... he has a beautiful deep ball but if he can't get it anywhere near the WR or the WR's fail to go after or fight for the ball then it's useless. If the coaching staff is not going to call plays that actually utilize Becks mobility ie; QB runs, or roll outs then it's pointless. If Beck is not reading the defense properly or fails to make and adjustment for what the defense is giving him then he's no good to the team.

Basically there is potential but the mental game is not making it to the football field. You can have the best General in peace time but if he can't manage a war he's no better then the PFC in the trenches.

I think it boils down to the system and the coaching staff calling plays that benifit your QB abilities. You can't expect Campbell to drop back and make a fast read and get rid of the ball if he can't do that, so you beef up the OL and try to give him more time to make his reads. The problem is KS's system is a quick drop fast read get the ball out type of system. Grossman is good at that but doesn't have the arm strength to throw the deep ball. Beck has the strength but no accuracy. The only difference is Becks mobility which is not being utilized well enough or so I think.

If KS wants a QB to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball they might as well go back to Grossman who was able to read the defense and go through his progressions faster and get the ball out. I'll accept the 2 INT's a game. If KS wants a QB who can scramble, run for yards, and roll out then keep Beck and use those skill sets and use plays that use those skill sets.

[SBXVII]

I found this which is a good write up about last weeks game or rather a break down of the 9 sacks since there was nothing else really worth breaking down. lol.

A Look at All 9 Sacks by the Bills Against the Redskins - Hogs Haven

Some of the issue's were the issue's I had with Beck, however I failed to communicate. I kept saying Grossman is better at reading what the defense is giving him and changing to a more favorable play, where as Beck will stick with the play sent in and good, bad, or indifferent he tries to make it work.

I love the comments afterwards.

pshh yea. thats what i had been saying all along when the beck/rex debate came into the picture while rex is a turnover machine, he throws INT’s while moving the ball DOWN THE FIELD. so the INT he throws essentially takes the place of a punt in a sense. while its not optimal, its better for the team than this sort of thing.

those sacks are drive killers and force punts. of all the things grossman does, he DOES find the open reciever by moving through his progressions quickly(sometimes too quickly). he WOULD have found paul on that play.

the choice between beck and grossman is like having to choose between death by fire and death by drowning. you dont want either but the drowning somehow seems more appealing.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I found this which is a good write up about last weeks game or rather a break down of the 9 sacks since there was nothing else really worth breaking down. lol.

A Look at All 9 Sacks by the Bills Against the Redskins - Hogs Haven

A excellent breakdown. I can't disagree with any of that, and it was apparent (even during the game) that Beck was simply holding onto the ball too long at times.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

A Look at All 9 Sacks by the Bills Against the Redskins - Hogs Haven

Great analysis. Unfortunately they missed one:

Change gives Bills a 10th sack in Redskins win - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

"How bad are things going for the Washington Redskins? They’ve been given a new dubious franchise record—in the middle of the week. The Buffalo Bills announced Wednesday that a scoring change has given the team a 10th sack in the 23-0 victory over the Redskins on Sunday in Toronto.

That’s the second most in Bills history—behind an 11-sack performance at Denver on Dec. 13, 1964. For the Redskins, it’s the most they’ve ever allowed. The nine sacks had tied a franchise mark that last occurred in 1978.

The change was made on first quarter play when John Beck scrambled, then recovered his own fumble. It was originally ruled a rushing play but is now a sack shared by Nick Barnett and Danny Batten".

[SBXVII]

I know I've been super critical of Beck, but only after everyone got on the "it's all Grossman's fault, he sucks" mantra. I tried to point out it's not all Grossman's fault, I'll even go so far as to say it's not all Beck's fault for the INT's. Fumbles-yes, holding the ball too long-yes, failing to read the defense-yes, sacks-yes. These other issue's were not issue's Grossman brought to the table but maybe once in each game besides the INT's.

All said both QB's have produced the same number of INT's. I called that. I said I didn't think anything was going to change based off what I saw the receivers doing or not doing. Another reason I felt we needed another WR possibly a vet and yes I dared to throw out T.O.'s name. But if there is another veteran WR available the team might should look into them.

On top of that the team (coach's) need to assess the opponants weakness a little better. I think the majority of the fans here made some really decent points as to what plays the team needed to use more in the last 2 games. Unfortunatly the team (coach's) didn't choose those plays. I don't know if it would have made a difference but I like to think in the last 2 games had the team used more slants (only 1 run vs. the Bills and worked), screens (only 1 vs the Panthers, and 2 vs. the Bills and worked), and comebacks, the team might have done better instead of constantly looking for the deep ball or the 15 yrd + throws.

This is a WCO. short passes until the defense moves up to stop it and then and only then does the big play work. It just seems like the whole team is out of wack from the coaching down. The team in general has gotten away from what if has done or what it needs to do for some reason. There has to be a happy medium between Gibbs2 screen, screen, screen almost every play and MS/KS 1 screen a game, no slants. Sometimes it's all about getting the ball beyond the DL and if the run is not there and the deep ball is not there then us the short passes, slants, and screens to slow down the defense and force them to put more people into coverage to open up the run lanes.