Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Anyone else wondering if RG3 is destined to be a bust after this game?

Nope.
Why would anyone wonder that after this game?

I mean, not that I didn't notice it before but that offense is so gimicky.

I thought we were evaluating Griffin's skillset not Baylor's offense.

Either way I don't see how Baylor's offense is anymore 'gimicky' then any other collegiate offense spread or non-spread all offenses scheme to get their primary receiver open in the first progression read.
Look at Stanford for example they use power running formations and play-action with a lot of motions and shifts to get favorable match-ups that favor their personnel (TEs).
Consequently Luck is often throwing to a wide open Fleener.

Ditto:Barkley, Weeden etc...

This game re-affirmed what I've been seeing all season:

o a playmaking QB; comfortable in the face of pressure and has the ability to extend the play with ease

o ability to pick up yards running

o can make throws on the run going right or left

o above average velocity and above average distance throwing deep

o can throw from different angles

o solid decision maker

....etc

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Nope.
Why would anyone wonder that after this game?

I thought we were evaluating Griffin's skillset not Baylor's offense.

Either way I don't see how Baylor's offense is anymore 'gimicky' then any other collegiate offense spread or non-spread all offenses scheme to get their primary receiver open in the first progression read.
Look at Stanford for example they use power running formations and play-action with a lot of motions and shifts to get favorable match-ups that favor their personnel (TEs).
Consequently Luck is often throwing to a wide open Fleener.

Ditto:Barkley, Weeden etc...

This game re-affirmed what I've been seeing all season:

o a playmaking QB; comfortable in the face of pressure and has the ability to extend the play with ease

o ability to pick up yards running

o can make throws on the run going right or left

o above average velocity and above average distance throwing deep

o can throw from different angles

o solid decision maker

....etc

Total respect for you and your opinions on QBs...but you gotta take John Dalton Beck off your sig, because it's lowering your credibility on QBs

[GTripp0012]

Well, yeah, but that's the Washington defense for ya. Texas covered a lot better than that, and TCU is a very good defense, and he put 40 plus on both of them.

Baylor would have been a high powered offense no matter who their QB was this year, but Griffin did unbelievable things all season. This was not his best throwing game. He made a ton of difficult throws, and was a bit off on the ball location. But boy can he throw the touch pass well. If he's going to complete 4 out of every 6 passes that he really doesn't lay in there perfectly (as he did in this game), that profiles excellently at the next level.

[diehard]

As Kiper would say... body of work.

[mredskins]

I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.

Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.

I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.

That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization.

We are all arm chair QB's here.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game[He was]. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.

But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.

That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization. We are all arm chair QB's here.

No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.


No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.

I picked Bradford over the other two becasue I have seen him be successful in the actual NFL, until RG III and Luck take a snap in a actual NFL game you don't know what you have in them.

Actual it does, you can have a opinion it is just not educated. If you walked into a scout's office in the NFL and said your opinion they probably laugh and send you on your way. Their opinions are educated ours are not.

It is fun to say what the Skins should do and not do, evaluate talent etc... but when the day is done none of us are experts. Unfortunately some of us on here a bit delusional to that fact, not singling you out 30Gut just saying.

[CultBrennan59]

We have a John Beck avatar, yet no Colt Brennan avatar??? I mean c'mon man!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

We have a John Beck avatar, yet no Colt Brennan avatar??? I mean c'mon man!

One of the most legendary avatars on this board is dedicated to him.

Pineapple Jesus ring a bell?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

One of the most legendary avatars on this board is dedicated to him.

Pineapple Jesus ring a bell?

I was kidding, but picture wise of him we don't

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

One of the most legendary avatars on this board is dedicated to him.

Pineapple Jesus ring a bell?

I think it only fair if we have a Pineapple Jesus avatar then we get on the ball with the Sexy Rexy logo avatar. I think Sumo can make some changes to get this a nice burgundy and gold.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I think it only fair if we have a Pineapple Jesus avatar then we get on the ball with the Sexy Rexy logo avatar. I think Sumo can make some changes to get this a nice burgundy and gold.

Rex already has an avatar, I think that's one too many as it is.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rex already has an avatar, I think that's one too many as it is.

But The Pineapple Jesus gets two? He's not even with the team anymore. I think you need to cut some slack here. You just know it would go over too well and everyone would have that as their avatar. With johnny5dickey being first in line....