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|  02-20-2023, 10:04 AM | #2371 | 
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			https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ness-rcna71027 Immunity acquired from a Covid infection is as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death, study finds The immunity generated from an infection was found to be “at least as high, if not higher” than that provided by two doses of an mRNA vaccine. Rand Paul was always right about this. And clowns said you were an anti vaxer if you said natural immunity was just as good as the vaccine. Come to find out, it’s much better 
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|  02-20-2023, 10:11 AM | #2372 | 
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			https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roa...e-gender-terms Roald Dahl children's books rewritten to delete references to 'fat' characters, add 'inclusive' gender terms Wtf…are we serious? Woke idiots are rewriting books? Insane and disturbing In "James and the Giant Peach," the character of Miss Sponge is no longer described as "the fat one," Miss Spider’s head is not "black" anymore, and the Earthworm has given up its "lovely pink" skin for "lovely smooth skin." The slippery slope things keep coming true. 
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|  02-20-2023, 10:55 AM | #2373 | |
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 Of course no one would say "natural immunization is better than vaccine" bc w natural .. people with enhanced risk factors go to hospital or die. On vaccine, susceptible people dont die or need hospital. Natural immunity was a lot lower for the omnicron subvariant. I dont think anyone would say with a straight face that vaccines didnt save half million Americans. Immunization .. any way achieved is good to have. 
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|  02-21-2023, 06:28 AM | #2374 | |
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 Regardless we can both agree it's dumb. 
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|  02-22-2023, 09:06 AM | #2375 | 
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			 3 years late. So we can recap now: schools shutdowns an admitted policy failure, natural immunity was just as good or better than the vaccine, and mask mandates were generally futile. 
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|  02-22-2023, 09:10 AM | #2376 | |
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 How many more people would die while waiting for your "natural immunity"? Keep hating America chico. 
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|  02-22-2023, 09:51 AM | #2377 | 
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			G1 is the king of the strawman. And data and facts are now anti American.
		 
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|  02-22-2023, 09:59 AM | #2378 | |
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 So basically we had an imperfect response to a very chaotic situation. In the future I'd hope we'd err on that same side of caution when dealing with a worldwide pandemic. | |
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|  02-22-2023, 10:02 AM | #2379 | 
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			Nope, just you.
		 
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|  02-22-2023, 10:13 AM | #2380 | |
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 Also that gave no reason to harass, fire people, shut down small business, arrest people running on beach, being at city park, etc. I’ll never understand why folks said it was ok to protest at the time en mass but not attend a funeral. It was the ultimate hypocrisy. 
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|  02-22-2023, 10:44 AM | #2381 | |
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|  02-22-2023, 11:05 AM | #2382 | 
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|  02-22-2023, 11:28 AM | #2383 | |
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 School shutdowns absolutely saved lives but the cost to our kids education is real natural immunity is no where near better than vaccines and you just took any vague credulity you could claim on the first 2 points and throw them out the window -------- Despite the best efforts from our low education cousins, only 1 million americans died and not 2 million You dont get to fight every safety precaution then turn around a few years later and waive a "i was right" flag on top of 1 million dead american bodies such dumb shit ... im dumb for still standing here responding to this Q anon glib BS 
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|  02-22-2023, 11:59 AM | #2384 | |
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 Majority of folks dying from Covid today have been vaccinated Couple of other Covid lies now proven false…if you get vaccinated you can’t spread Covid, This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated The vaccine saved a lot of lives, I get that and support getting the vaccine for older folks or people with at risk factors and anybody who wants them in general but other strategies weren’t correct, made little difference and polices were unjust. 
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|  02-22-2023, 12:09 PM | #2385 | 
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			The frustrating thing with masks is that our medical professionals have known for decades which masks block the inhalation of coronaviruses and which inhibit the spread.  They are two different masks.  However, the response was just mask it was very flawed.  In terms of the natural immunity argument I have to disagree Chico, that is not how science works. You can't make a claim that is incapable of being substantiated at the time and hold it up as valid. The beauty of science is that it is skeptical and scientific consensus does change as more data is observed but that doesn't mean we deny the existing data in favor of someone's opinion. At the time there was simply not enough data to suggest natural immunity was effective especially when we were sitting at a 5% mortality rate. I think we should take this data and research as it is. This is good news on many fronts increased immunity, the fact the virus has evolved to be less fatal. These are all good things. 
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