IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Angry

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles.

You didn't do your homework did you?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

You didn't do your homework did you?

What are you talking about? The guy can only throw the ball when he is running for his life. He's got nothing else.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Angry

WTF do you guys see in locker? What flippin ESPN analyst waved his magic wand and put you into a lip moistening, "on your knees" type trance over this guy? This guy couldn't hit Tina Turner with Ike's fist.

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles. Wake the f up!

ROTFLMAO!

Apparently they failed to really observe the Senior Bowl. You know the very game where Locker supposedly had the better team but lost. The very game where Ponder and Dalton shined brighter even though all the QB's were on the same footing with receiver's they were not used to playing with?

I hope the Skins don't take Locker.

[Terpfan76]

The thing about it is the reward aspect of Locker is much higher than that of Ponder and Dalton but at the same time the risk aspect is light years greater than any of the other qbs. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Like I've said before, if Locker was available with our second round pick or we were able to trade down and acquire a third rounder and Locker was available, I'd take him any day over Ponder or Dalton.

Christian Ponder has such great skills, has had 3x the talent around him than Locker but what exactly has he accomplished? Ponder has shown some accuracy. OK, what else? He's about as sturdy as a paper doll? Andy Dalton? What is with the love fest over this guy? Yeah, he had a big win over Wisconsin, that was definitely impressive, I'll give him that. But what else? TCU wasn't exactly playing murders row were they?

I'm not suggesting that Locker will be the next great thing, I'm pretty certain he won't be to be honest. I'd rather not waste a pick on a qb at all this year unless we can get one much later. That is the only reason that a guy like Dalton or Ponder would be superior to Locker as Locker will most likely go in the first round where as neither Dalton or Ponder probably will. Obviously much can change between now and the draft though. I'd just rather see us spend our picks this year on players that can give us impact now or very soon as opposed to 2 or 3 years down the road.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

The thing about it is the reward aspect of Locker is much higher than that of Ponder and Dalton but at the same time the risk aspect is light years greater than any of the other qbs. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Like I've said before, if Locker was available with our second round pick or we were able to trade down and acquire a third rounder and Locker was available, I'd take him any day over Ponder or Dalton.

Christian Ponder has such great skills, has had 3x the talent around him than Locker but what exactly has he accomplished? Ponder has shown some accuracy. OK, what else? He's about as sturdy as a paper doll? Andy Dalton? What is with the love fest over this guy? Yeah, he had a big win over Wisconsin, that was definitely impressive, I'll give him that. But what else? TCU wasn't exactly playing murders row were they?

I'm not suggesting that Locker will be the next great thing, I'm pretty certain he won't be to be honest. I'd rather not waste a pick on a qb at all this year unless we can get one much later. That is the only reason that a guy like Dalton or Ponder would be superior to Locker as Locker will most likely go in the first round where as neither Dalton or Ponder probably will. Obviously much can change between now and the draft though. I'd just rather see us spend our picks this year on players that can give us impact now or very soon as opposed to 2 or 3 years down the road.

No one has the right answer. Any of the draft picks could be busts. Some due to their positions might have a better chance of making it then others but honestly no one really knows. So no one can honestly say Ponder and Dalton will be better or Locker will be better. The only way we will know is maybe 3-5 yrs down the road after looking at their game over the years.

Everything you have said about Ponder and Dalton could be said about Locker. The only execption might be the teams each QB played during the yr. But, my personal feeling is like this, if either Ponder, Dalton, or Locker or their teams didn't deserve to be in a bowl game then they wouldn't be there. Football is not about one player, it's a team effort. Whoever drafts these QB's needs to find a way to bring out the best in whichever one they draft and find a way to limit their down sides.

It really doesn't matter to me who each QB played all year long cause at some point if they make it to a bowl game and they are matched up with another team then either they belong there or they don't. If Dalton or his team didn't belong in the bowl game the other team then should have walked all over them. But that didn't happen. So either he belongs or he doens't and if you ask me he showed he belongs.

That said I don't look at the QB's and their opponants and say this QB has a better chance due to the difficulty of his schedule or the fact the QB had decent WR's or just ok WR's. For me it's more hoe he looks on the field, his command presense, his throwing motion, his release, his ability to read the defense, his footwork, where he places the ball for the receiver, does he drill the ball 24/7 or does he have a nice touch ball. All these issues I take into account.

What I pointed out was the fact that people are making up excuses for Locker saying he didn't know the system well and didn't have a lot of time with the WR's for whome he was throwing at during the Senior Bowl. All I'm saying is neither did Ponder or Dalton and they looked miles ahead of Locker in the Senior bowl. Plus both Ponder and Dalton supposedly didn't have all the supposed weapons that Locker had. Even the announcers said the North had most of the talent but the South won.

and the reason I pointed it out was because of the "love fest" for Locker that keeps creaping up. I understand everyone is trying to prove their point and give a reason why their favorite QB should be picked and why he's a better choice, but I just wish the Locker is supperior theories would stop cause the Senior Bowl made him look bad, footwork, mechanics, receiving, everything, the whole while there were other QB's who looked miles ahead of him.

But as you said I wouldn't take any of the QB's in the first round maybe not the second. But if my choice was any of the three Locker would be my last. However, I will say that if the team picks him or someone else then I'm sure the team will have done due diligence and know what QB will work best in their system. Hopefully.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No one has the right answer. Any of the draft picks could be busts. Some due to their positions might have a better chance of making it then others but honestly no one really knows. So no one can honestly say Ponder and Dalton will be better or Locker will be better. The only way we will know is maybe 3-5 yrs down the road after looking at their game over the years.

Everything you have said about Ponder and Dalton could be said about Locker. The only execption might be the teams each QB played during the yr. But, my personal feeling is like this, if either Ponder, Dalton, or Locker or their teams didn't deserve to be in a bowl game then they wouldn't be there. Football is not about one player, it's a team effort. Whoever drafts these QB's needs to find a way to bring out the best in whichever one they draft and find a way to limit their down sides.

It really doesn't matter to me who each QB played all year long cause at some point if they make it to a bowl game and they are matched up with another team then either they belong there or they don't. If Dalton or his team didn't belong in the bowl game the other team then should have walked all over them. But that didn't happen. So either he belongs or he doens't and if you ask me he showed he belongs.

That said I don't look at the QB's and their opponants and say this QB has a better chance due to the difficulty of his schedule or the fact the QB had decent WR's or just ok WR's. For me it's more hoe he looks on the field, his command presense, his throwing motion, his release, his ability to read the defense, his footwork, where he places the ball for the receiver, does he drill the ball 24/7 or does he have a nice touch ball. All these issues I take into account.

What I pointed out was the fact that people are making up excuses for Locker saying he didn't know the system well and didn't have a lot of time with the WR's for whome he was throwing at during the Senior Bowl. All I'm saying is neither did Ponder or Dalton and they looked miles ahead of Locker in the Senior bowl. Plus both Ponder and Dalton supposedly didn't have all the supposed weapons that Locker had. Even the announcers said the North had most of the talent but the South won.

and the reason I pointed it out was because of the "love fest" for Locker that keeps creaping up. I understand everyone is trying to prove their point and give a reason why their favorite QB should be picked and why he's a better choice, but I just wish the Locker is supperior theories would stop cause the Senior Bowl made him look bad, footwork, mechanics, receiving, everything, the whole while there were other QB's who looked miles ahead of him.

But as you said I wouldn't take any of the QB's in the first round maybe not the second. But if my choice was any of the three Locker would be my last. However, I will say that if the team picks him or someone else then I'm sure the team will have done due diligence and know what QB will work best in their system. Hopefully.

Some busts are bigger than others.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Angry

Some busts are bigger than others.

Totally agree with you but I also wonder how often is it the situation that a draftee is put in the right situation with the right position coach at the right time to develope and become a star vs. others who were drafted and put on the PS then later released as busts. Example I think I once did a round up of all the WR's the Skins have either drafted or picked up some 20+ in all (recently) and all were considered busts except Moss. How much of that was the Scouts doing a horrible job and how much of it was the previous position coach. Although another way of looking at it is how many of those WR's made it elsewhere?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Angry

Some busts are bigger than others.

YEAH THEY ARE! Oh wait....are you guys talking about football?

On a serious note can someone outline for me why man crushes for Dalton are popping up left and right?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

YEAH THEY ARE! Oh wait....are you guys talking about football?

On a serious note can someone outline for me why man crushes for Dalton are popping up left and right?

You were the only one to get it.

[cdskins26]

Personally newton is the only quarterback i would want at the 10th pick. aside from that i believe that locker could be worth our second round pick or if we trade back into the first for more picks. Who could be a good trading partner to us in the 22-28 range?