2012 QB Class

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well so far our scouting on potential QBs has been terrible, I think that is the point.

Yeah it is the point..

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well so far our scouting on potential QBs has been terrible, I think that is the point.

I think they were all hand picked by Shanahan and not the Scouting staff.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think they were all hand picked by Shanahan and not the Scouting staff.

I meant Shanahan's scouting or his decision-making. The point is that I hope third time is a charm, otherwise we are screwed.

[SmootSmack]

Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!

We can't draft Harnish because there is no catchy slogan for him other than Tarnish for Harnish.

[CultBrennan59]

Look, I know you all may think I'm crazy by suggesting we could get Luck, but the thing is this; If we draft in the top ten, top 5 especially, AND St. Louis, Carolina, or Indy have the first overall pick, our team I fully believe will make the trade. Let me break this down some more;

-Should we be drafting in the top 10/5, Shanny and Snyder will be having some long talks about the future, and Shanahan will, I fully believe throw in all his chips into getting Luck should one of those 3 teams have the first pick.
-I know you all think we are a more mature draft team, but always remember, Dan Snyder's the owner, anything can happen. He may say he's out of the picture now that Shanahans here but don't be surprised if he puts himself back in and tells the FO to do whatever they can to get this guy, especially if shanahan really thinks he's a future QB who can turn this team around.
-You all are probably wondering why would Indy give up their pick and trade it to us, should the pick 1st. They owe Peyton Manning a $35 million dollar roster bonus. They give it to him they A) take away millions of dollars of cap space, B) Won't have the money to just go out and pay a #1 overall pick, C) Are saying they believe Peytons Neck is healthy, and are committed to him for atleast another year or two.D) I just don't see the Colts even taking Luck, and letting him set behind Peyton, when Lucks supposed to be one of the most NFL ready QB's ever. (Also I heard on Inside the NFL that the Colts would pass on Luck should Peyton be healthy.)
- Oliver Luck is supposedly Archie Manning Jr., being that he wants his son in the best place. Andrew said he would love to be close to home with his next team. His home right now? Morgantown, WV. IF Indy did have the first overall pick, and were uncertain, I believe Oliver would tell them to give up the pick to someone who definitely wants him.
-Again the draft is so far away prospects are going to be moving up and down constantly and even though Andrew Luck is a consistent first overall pick some guys may move up whom check out a lot better option wise for teams drafting high, but know they can still get that player lower. For example if the Rams pick 1st overall, and we pick 5th, and the Rams have a QB and we are in perfect position to take Alshon Jeffery, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, and if A.J got drafted that high.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Look, I know you all may think I'm crazy by suggesting we could get Luck, but the thing is this; If we draft in the top ten, top 5 especially, AND St. Louis, Carolina, or Indy have the first overall pick, our team I fully believe will make the trade. Let me break this down some more;

-Should we be drafting in the top 10/5, Shanny and Snyder will be having some long talks about the future, and Shanahan will, I fully believe throw in all his chips into getting Luck should one of those 3 teams have the first pick.
-I know you all think we are a more mature draft team, but always remember, Dan Snyder's the owner, anything can happen. He may say he's out of the picture now that Shanahans here but don't be surprised if he puts himself back in and tells the FO to do whatever they can to get this guy, especially if shanahan really thinks he's a future QB who can turn this team around.
-You all are probably wondering why would Indy give up their pick and trade it to us, should the pick 1st. They owe Peyton Manning a $35 million dollar roster bonus. They give it to him they A) take away millions of dollars of cap space, B) Won't have the money to just go out and pay a #1 overall pick, C) Are saying they believe Peytons Neck is healthy, and are committed to him for atleast another year or two.D) I just don't see the Colts even taking Luck, and letting him set behind Peyton, when Lucks supposed to be one of the most NFL ready QB's ever. (Also I heard on Inside the NFL that the Colts would pass on Luck should Peyton be healthy.)
- Oliver Luck is supposedly Archie Manning Jr., being that he wants his son in the best place. Andrew said he would love to be close to home with his next team. His home right now? Morgantown, WV. IF Indy did have the first overall pick, and were uncertain, I believe Oliver would tell them to give up the pick to someone who definitely wants him.
-Again the draft is so far away prospects are going to be moving up and down constantly and even though Andrew Luck is a consistent first overall pick some guys may move up whom check out a lot better option wise for teams drafting high, but know they can still get that player lower. For example if the Rams pick 1st overall, and we pick 5th, and the Rams have a QB and we are in perfect position to take Alshon Jeffery, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, and if A.J got drafted that high.

If the Redskin front office is able to trade up to get Andrew Luck, then Allen and Shanahan will indeed draft him. But in giving away multiple picks to the Colts or Dolphins, the Redskins will have to get what they need through FA. They need young veteran wide receivers. If they can target four, they could get two very good ones. In addition, the Redskins already have a young receiving core with Fred Davis, Terrance Austin, and Leonard Hankerson. But knowing Allen and Shanahan, they will also ask in exchange for their picks for additional late picks along with the number 1 overall.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!

From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.

[SmootSmack]

I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.

[skinsfaninok]

I'd honestly go with RGIII that kid is a baller and is a way better passer than many people see, I've seen Folks in here say he's just a typical running QB but that's far from true

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.

I couldn't agree more. Watching receivers get open and Beck not throwing to them couldn't have made it any clearer.

More Harnish stats:

Passing

Year G/GS C-A-I Pct. Yds. TD Lg. Yds/Gm Effic.
2008 10/9 118-211-9 55.9 1528 8 91 152.8 120.7
2009 10/9 143-223-6 64.1 1670 11 45 167.0 136.9
2010 13/3 189-292-5 64.7 2530 21 69 194.6 157.8
Career 33/31 450-726-20 62.0 5728 40 91 173.6 140.9

Rushing

Year G/GS No. Yds. Avg. TD Lg. Yds/Gm
2008 10/9 118 539 4.6 4 32 53.9
2009 10/9 89 229 2.6 2 29 22.9
2010 13/13 137 836 6.1 7 69 64.3
Career 33/31 344 1604 4.7 13 69 48.6

He has improved every year.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.

Please god no.. We should not reach for a qb ... I think shanny likes to take the unpopular choice to make people go " wow didn't see that coming " and if it works out he's considered a genius. We have to take Jones, Griffin, or Barkley if avail. Moore is great but not in the first . Im done with bad qb play for the skins..... And SS I think you're right. We are just a qb away from being a possible wildcard team. We obv need a ton more to become a SB contender.

[53Fan]

I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.

Yea I'm down with that ... We do need two qb's. I just want Rex and Beck gone.

[CultBrennan59]

SS

I've been hyping up Kellen Moore since last year. I agree we should get this guy. BUT having said that, I asked some of my football friends what they think of Kellen. They brought up good points to me.

-what makes him different from John Beck?
-What, besides running, makes him different from Tim Tebow?
-what makes him completely different from Colt Brennan?

Heisman Watch: Kellen Moore - Video - SI.com