By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[Ivar the Boneless]

All season long most of you have blasted the guy for his play calling and his inability to fire up the team, and not getting it done in the red zone, but most of you want to keep him? I understand that we want to quit being a coaching carousel, but this guy is half assed at best. He couldn't coach a Division 1A school either. Seriously, which would you rather have Norv Turner or Jay Gruden? Not the greatest choices to have, but at least Norv had no problem getting it into the red zone.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Ivar the Boneless

All season long most of you have blasted the guy for his play calling and his inability to fire up the team, and not getting it done in the red zone, but most of you want to keep him? I understand that we want to quit being a coaching carousel, but this guy is half assed at best. He couldn't coach a Division 1A school either. Seriously, which would you rather have Norv Turner or Jay Gruden? Not the greatest choices to have, but at least Norv had no problem getting it into the red zone.

You bring up a good point about our RZ problems. And we are downright brutal on 3rd and short. I am not football savvy enough to know where the cause of the Red Zone problems really lie. IIRC, we were not very good in the Red Zone even when we had a healthy team.

Jay is calling the offensive plays, right? Is it even worth it at this point to consider what it would be like if Jay hands over playcalling duties to someone else? Is that something Jay would consider?

I know it isn't good when the team takes away playcalling from a Coach, but do you think changing play callers would help at all?

[SFREDSKIN]

This has been the story of this season, starter gets hurt, backup gets hurt, backup of a backup gets hurt. All endup on IR. Only coach I know that can win with replacement players is the other JG.

The Redskins placed tight end Jordan Reed on injured reserve, the team announced today. Reed played just six games this season because of a hamstring injury. He caught 27 passes this season. They also placed RB Byron Marshall and LB Chris Carter on IR. They signed RB Kapri Bibbs, LB Pete Robertson and LB Otha Peters to the active roster

[mooby]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Two of the three are worthless and the third is almost worthless.

#thatsthejoke

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Two of the three are worthless and the third is almost worthless.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic lol. They're all tools.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've never heard an NFL coach say they can't get a half a yard cause his QB's legs weren't bigger than Andy Dalton's. Da fuck??

Tom Brady is the best at the QB sneak he is about the least athletic QB in the league.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Ivar the Boneless

All season long most of you have blasted the guy for his play calling and his inability to fire up the team, and not getting it done in the red zone, but most of you want to keep him? I understand that we want to quit being a coaching carousel, but this guy is half assed at best. He couldn't coach a Division 1A school either. Seriously, which would you rather have Norv Turner or Jay Gruden? Not the greatest choices to have, but at least Norv had no problem getting it into the red zone.

Again, what most of you guys aren't thinking about is the fact that it won't matter who you put in as head coach, if Bruce Allen stays, it's going to be the same sorry, just rinse and repeat.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ivar the Boneless

All season long most of you have blasted the guy for his play calling and his inability to fire up the team, and not getting it done in the red zone, but most of you want to keep him? I understand that we want to quit being a coaching carousel, but this guy is half assed at best. He couldn't coach a Division 1A school either. Seriously, which would you rather have Norv Turner or Jay Gruden? Not the greatest choices to have, but at least Norv had no problem getting it into the red zone.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...one-efficiency

14th in red zone efficiency as of Nov 15 per PFF

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ne-scoring-pct

Currently 11th here
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I think Jay and Kirk have done a great job this year in passing offense .... no receivers, battered O line, no run game. Admittedly the wheels are coming off the past few games and the team looks like they are done.

Jay isnt a top 10 head coach but Id put him in the middle of the pack. Top 10 in terms of offensive coaches go.

[skinsfan69]

I feel that Jay Gruden should be someone that coaches a college team. He'd be perfect in the Pac Ten or Big 12 where they pitch it around and play no defense. He can yuck it up w/ boosters and not have the pressures and the demands of an NFL job. He'd be a great recruiter too. If he came into a top QB or wr's living room you're going to go play for him. He would have been a great fit for the Arizona State job, or UCLA or even a place like Texas. IMO that's really where he belongs. He'd be a great college coach.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I feel that Jay Gruden should be someone that coaches a college team. He'd be perfect in the Pac Ten or Big 12 where they pitch it around and play no defense. He can yuck it up w/ boosters and not have the pressures and the demands of an NFL job. He'd be a great recruiter too. If he came into a top QB or wr's living room you're going to go play for him. He would have been a great fit for the Arizona State job, or UCLA or even a place like Texas. IMO that's really where he belongs. He'd be a great college coach.

He and his Brother would dominate college ball, on Saban level

[metalskins]

At this point, I'm in with getting rid of Gruden, but under the condition that the entire thing gets blown up. I mean the entire thing! The front office, the coaching staff, the scouting team - blow it all up! No more Bruce Allen. When the new GM comes in, let him have full control over everything. He picks the head of scouting, he picks the head coach. He allows the head scout to interview to fill the positions he will manage. Same way with the head coach. The head coach's first job will be hiring his staff. The general manager will simply interview the top two candidates and make his recommendations, but the head coach and the head scout have the final say on who gets hired. Meanwhile, Dan Snyder sits in his office writing the checks and working on the new stadium deal - other than initially having to be involved with hiring the new GM. Other than that, Snyder doesn't get within arms length of any decision on player acquisitions or coaching. Contracts are worked out with the GM and maybe assistant GM (as was Charlie Casserly with Bobby Beathard), but nobody else. The new GM and new head coach will work together in deciding which players they plan to retain, and which ones they'll cut loose. But, they're welcome to gut the team if that must happen.

So, in short, this is what I'll accept. If you're going to make a change, make a complete change. Yes, there are quality guys within this organization, but sometimes, you need to just make a complete cut with the old and bring in the new. It would take some brass balls to go this postal, but I think this is the only way to go.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...one-efficiency

14th in red zone efficiency as of Nov 15 per PFF

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ne-scoring-pct

Currently 11th here
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I think Jay and Kirk have done a great job this year in passing offense .... no receivers, battered O line, no run game. Admittedly the wheels are coming off the past few games and the team looks like they are done.

Jay isnt a top 10 head coach but Id put him in the middle of the pack. Top 10 in terms of offensive coaches go.

Thanks for posting this, I was starting to wonder where these RZ complaints were coming from.

[skinsfaninok]

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Daring to take the job in Washington is essentially a show of supreme confidence in yourself. You have to believe that you're going to be the one to overcome what might be the league's most toxic culture and succeed where eight other coaches have failed under owner Daniel Snyder. Coaches have to be confident people by definition, but taking the Washington job might also qualify as literal madness.

And to be clear, this seventh-placed ranking assumes Washington has Kirk Cousins on its roster in 2018, whether by the transition tag, the franchise tag, or a long-term extension. Without Cousins, this would be about as undesirable of a job as possible, given the hole at quarterback and the attrition rate of prior coaches. There's virtually no chance a new coach would have the time to both identify and develop a new franchise quarterback before being fired.

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The best-case scenario for Washington is that it signs Cousins to that long-term extension, but even that will eat up $25 million to $30 million or so of the $54 million in cap space it is due to hold this offseason. Several other starters are free agents, most notably inside linebacker Zach Brown and cornerback Bashaud Breeland. Washington might choose to re-sign Breeland and move on from free-agent addition Josh Norman after two frustrating seasons in D.C. Designating Norman as a post-June 1 release would free up $14 million in cap space but simultaneously create another opening on the defense.

There's unquestioned talent on this roster, but getting all that talent on the field at the same time has been an issue because of injuries. Cousins has taken just 52 dropbacks since the start of 2016 with the offense Jay Gruden would have imagined building around -- tackles Trent Williams and Morgan Moses, running back Chris Thompson, tight end Jordan Reed, and wideouts Jamison Crowder and Josh Doctson -- all on the field. There's going to be a season every four or five years in which everyone gets right and Washington wins a division title, but as a coach with options, would you really want to hope to get lucky in one of your two seasons at the helm?

[skinsfaninok]

First of all I love how he won't say REDSKINS, so childish and 2nd he put Cleveland as the 2nd best landing spot??? 3rd Norman isn't getting cut lolol. what a fool

[dmek25]

lets fire allen, and bring mcglohan back