Next years QB

[skinsfan69]

Really not surprised. There were rumblings that a few of the coaches were not in Griffin's corner.

[calia]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Looks like Haslett doesn't think much of Robert...lol


Jim Haslett answers if Redskins should take Marcus Mariota | Comcast SportsNet Washington

Oh, let's take QB drafting advice from a defensive coach -- one that was so sucky that he has been fired (many times) and hasn't been sought after by anyone. Maybe we should solicit Cerrato's views while we're at it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by calia

That's true in the sense that if we don't take Mariota (and today's news is likely to make folks think we will pass), teams that want him will want to trade with someone above 6 in order to get him, as the Jets seem likely to do grab him at 6. My point is that this move arguably makes the Redskins less of an attractive trading partner than teams picking above us if the objective is to land Mariota. Before this news, we were probably a very attractive trading partner at 5 because the Jets would likely snag him at 6. But now, someone else gets that privilege (although, I will allow, at greater cost to the team trading up, as the higher the pick, the more you have to give up for it).

This thinking makes zero sense. Is it possible to make negative sense?

The whole reason to trade to five is because you don't think Mariota will make it past 6. And nobody will trade up to 5 unless the player they want is there when we are on the clock.

So this changes exactly nothing. Sometimes it's no more complicated than:

Jets might take Mariota at 6
We have 5
Mariota is available at 5 when we are on clock

Ergo big market for our pick.

Derp

[Schneed10]

I'm going to put this here as a reminder of what RG3 can be. I'm sure we all remember this play. Late in the season against the Giants down at the goalline with the half about to run out, and Gruden elects to go for the TD because why the hell not at that point.

RG3 drops back, finds everyone covered, and rolls out the back to escape the rush. He eyes the corner pylon and absolutely turns on the jets. I didn't think he was going to get there but he does, and in typical Redskins fashion fumbles it just before crossing the plane. But he beat his man to the spot, amazingly. And it wasn't just some dipshit DE, it was JPP. Of course while the play shows he still has the burst, it also shows every reason why he shouldn't use it too much. He dives head first for the goal, covering probably 7 yards in the air. Injury waiting to happen.

At this point in the season it's perfectly reasonable to think the burst was returning because he was finally fully healed from the ACL and ankle problems. It makes you think of what could be coming in a contract year.

Of course, if he and Gruden start going back to the athleticism, you only increase the chances of injury. He's got to make strides as a passer for me to commit long term.

Still, here is a glimpse of that burst we've been missing:

Robert Griffin III touchdown run overturned after replay in Redskins-Giants game - NFL - SI.com

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to put this here as a reminder of what RG3 can be. I'm sure we all remember this play. Late in the season against the Giants down at the goalline with the half about to run out, and Gruden elects to go for the TD because why the hell not at that point.

RG3 drops back, finds everyone covered, and rolls out the back to escape the rush. He eyes the corner pylon and absolutely turns on the jets. I didn't think he was going to get there but he does, and in typical Redskins fashion fumbles it just before crossing the plane. But he beat his man to the spot, amazingly. And it wasn't just some dipshit DE, it was JPP. Of course while the play shows he still has the burst, it also shows every reason why he shouldn't use it too much. He dives head first for the goal, covering probably 7 yards in the air. Injury waiting to happen.

At this point in the season it's perfectly reasonable to think the burst was returning because he was finally fully healed from the ACL and ankle problems. It makes you think of what could be coming in a contract year.

Of course, if he and Gruden start going back to the athleticism, you only increase the chances of injury. He's got to make strides as a passer for me to commit long term.

Still, here is a glimpse of that burst we've been missing:

Robert Griffin III touchdown run overturned after replay in Redskins-Giants game - NFL - SI.com

i gotta debbie downer on this and i apologize.

yes it shows his elite athleticism.

it also shows him missing an open Jordan Reed in the seam waving his hands in the air. it also shows he doesnt know down, distance and clock. in no way was he supposed to try to run it in, in that situation. im sure he was told to kill the ball if his 1st quick read wasnt open so we could go for a FG.

theres a very good chance the play was designed to go to Reed quick for a TD or throw it in stands. if i was a coach, id be pissed. intentional petulance.

but who knows what RG3's pre-read was, who knows who his first look was supposed to be .... what i do know is that he was not supposed to run it and suck up all the regulation time on a make or break QB audible.

but yes, we have a very fragile but athletic QB.

sorry schneed ... i feel bad.

[calia]

Hard to dispute this, but boy did the right side of the line collapse in a hurry.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i gotta debbie downer on this and i apologize.

yes it shows his elite athleticism.

it also shows him missing an open Jordan Reed in the seam waving his hands in the air. it also shows he doesnt know down, distance and clock. in no way was he supposed to try to run it in, in that situation. im sure he was told to kill the ball if his 1st quick read wasnt open so we could go for a FG.

theres a very good chance the play was designed to go to Reed quick for a TD or throw it in stands. if i was a coach, id be pissed. intentional petulance.

but who knows what RG3's pre-read was, who knows who his first look was supposed to be .... what i do know is that he was not supposed to run it and suck up all the regulation time on a make or break QB audible.

but yes, we have a very fragile but athletic QB.

sorry schneed ... i feel bad.

I would agree here. There was no need for Griffin to run in the first place. If he had any anticipation then it would have been an easy TD for Reed. He just needed to lead him towards the back of the end zone.

This was the same thing that happened on the play he hurt his ankle on. Had he just thrown the ball when he was suppose to (to Jackson) then there was no need to run and he would not have gotten hurt.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i gotta debbie downer on this and i apologize.

yes it shows his elite athleticism.

it also shows him missing an open Jordan Reed in the seam waving his hands in the air. it also shows he doesnt know down, distance and clock. in no way was he supposed to try to run it in, in that situation. im sure he was told to kill the ball if his 1st quick read wasnt open so we could go for a FG.

theres a very good chance the play was designed to go to Reed quick for a TD or throw it in stands. if i was a coach, id be pissed. intentional petulance.

but who knows what RG3's pre-read was, who knows who his first look was supposed to be .... what i do know is that he was not supposed to run it and suck up all the regulation time on a make or break QB audible.

but yes, we have a very fragile but athletic QB.

sorry schneed ... i feel bad.

Don't feel bad it's a great take and one I totally agree with. I still take a positive from the play in that it looked like finally he had that 3rd gear back for the first time since his knee injury.

But yeah, he can be as athletic as all get out, but ultimately he needs to distribute the ball on time or his athleticism will only take him so far.

I am hopeful there is enough athleticism coming this year to cover for whatever decision making deficiencies still remain. If he flashes enough then we'll have our patience tanks filled up a bit. If he doesn't, then the judgment of his decision making will be rightfully harsh.

[30gut]

Surprised we didn't draft a developmental QB somewheres.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Surprised we didn't draft a developmental QB somewheres.

Washington takes a flier on Connor Halliday | ProFootballTalk

[Schneed10]

Also QB Chris Bonner from CSU Pueblo:

[Schneed10]

Halliday's the one that has a real chance. McLoughan looked hard at him. He probably would have been a 6th or 7th rounder were it not for the broken leg.

Played in the Mike Leach spread but made a ton of play calls from the line of scrimmage so there's an analytical brain in that helmet.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Also QB Chris Bonner from CSU Pueblo:

Bonner's going to Carolina for a camp tryout. Not coming here, not yet at least

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Halliday's the one that has a real chance. McLoughan looked hard at him. He probably would have been a 6th or 7th rounder were it not for the broken leg.

Played in the Mike Leach spread but made a ton of play calls from the line of scrimmage so there's an analytical brain in that helmet.

One of the many things I love about having a....real GM at the helm. I always thought we should be scrutinizing and taking a later round QB on the chance of finding the diamond in the rough. That and the serious possibility that the future SB QB of the B&G may not be on the payroll. At the worst it costs you a later round pick and you probably get a decent backup for your trouble.
Oh well, we could always throw a few 1st's.....maybe a second to get a lock on a QB Superstar....
PLEASE ROBERT!!!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Washington takes a flier on Connor Halliday | ProFootballTalk

Still surprised we didn't draft a developmental QB somewhere.

I specifically used the word draft because I'm sure as we're all aware there a different levels of expectation not only based on what round a QB is drafted much more between an underrated vs UDFA QB.

Which is not to say that an UDFA can't make it in the league; there are exceptions like Romo and Warner that proves the rule.

With all the rhetoric about the QB situation on this team I thought it made sense to draft a developmental QB in the middle rounds (with starter upside) for Jay to groom in his system.

With that being said I like Halliday, but until he proves he's something more right know he's like every other UDFA QB....a camp arm fighting for the practice squad.