trump Inpeachment...............

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

It should be uncommon for the POTUS. the POTUS conduct should not be comparable or explained away as "well Russia, China, Iran, SA" do it so its not uncommon.

Much more than threatening to with hold congress approved funds to another Country because you want that other country to announce they are looking into corruption of the POTUS political opponent. There seems to be no trace of any corruption linked to Hunter Biden and that company.

Its really the cover up and lies that make me mad as an american. The phone call was placed into some category where there could no transcript of it even though there was no basis to do so. Apparently the trump admin does that a lot to protect from transcript and you know, direct evidence, of trump being dishonorable.
The cover ups should astound every single american. If this was a democrat president, fox news would be calling for a civil war.

Hypocrisy, lying, only serving his 30% base of the country is what pisses me off. That tax code that was designed to target blue states was so fucked up.

^^ with all that said, i dont think this ukraine things rises to the level of removal. impeachment yes, removal no.

and no, I disagree ... there is nothing in politics that has ever been like what Trump is doing. Now it is okay to call US senators sleeze bags and every other thing trump has called everyone.

Trump cant be defended imo. When he is gone, republicans should not be able to shrink back into the crowd acting like they didnt champion this guy.

This is a clear lie. The president not only provided it but he had the right to not disclose it as executive privilege. But he did. The transcript and the whistleblower account lined up closely when he went under oath.

But, yes carry on.

On Fox news, are you seriously gonna bitch about hypotheticals when MSNBC and CNN for almost 2 year peddled bullshit conspiracy of "Russian Collusion" daily 24/7? Spewing garbage theories and propping up lies like "Steele Dossier"? And then to take a time out to smear Kavanagh nomination based on unverified behavior. That fuckin woman couldn't provide 1 witness to verify any of her story. You good with that? But yes "IF" this "THEN" Fox news. Right.

Its simply rich at this point, but carry on.

You are fully aware the house could have call these witnesses they want now? You are fully aware that the closing arguments in the House, the Dems stated this is a strong case and now say, we need more evidence? You are fully aware there are no crimes committed and the Democrats could have included so called crimes in the impeachment articles?

But please carry on.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is a clear lie. The president not only provided it but he had the right to not disclose it as executive privilege. But he did. The transcript and the whistleblower account lined up closely when he went under oath.

But, yes carry on.

On Fox news, are you seriously gonna bitch about hypotheticals when MSNBC and CNN for almost 2 year peddled bullshit conspiracy of "Russian Collusion" daily 24/7? Spewing garbage theories and propping up lies like "Steele Dossier"? And then to take a time out to smear Kavanagh nomination based on unverified behavior. That fuckin woman couldn't provide 1 witness to verify any of her story. You good with that? But yes "IF" this "THEN" Fox news. Right.

Its simply rich at this point, but carry on.

You are fully aware the house could have call these witnesses they want now? You are fully aware that the closing arguments in the House, the Dems stated this is a strong case and now say, we need more evidence? You are fully aware there are no crimes committed and the Democrats could have included so called crimes in the impeachment articles?

But please carry on.

Meh ... this is why i dont like to talk politics. its just tribalism and repeated talking points over and over. Why are we talking about kavanaugh? Steele dosier? You forgot to mention Hillary and Uranium One. fast and Furious? Holder?

Its established as fact that Russia did interfere with our election to favor Trump.Outside of Manafort, I dont think Trump was personally in collusion with russia. I mean, his son tried but it ended up being a nothing.

You also forgot to mention that the whistle blower never heard the actual phone call either ... bc trump admin codes his phone calls so there is no transcript ever, just short hand notes taken at live time.

its cool. Presidents personal attorney going to a foreign country and representing the POTUS mafia style and getting money from an associate who got money from russia .. its all good. Its all juts MSNBC making it up.

You think Trump is a good president? good for you. Anything I say wont change your mind and its 100% your opinion and right to think and believe what you want.

I could have written your response bc its just the same dribble repeated over and over again (from both sides). What I am saying is just dribble as well. Mostly mocking though as anyone who is so entrenched with the belief that their side is 100% correct .... may need to take a step back and look around.

Im a centrist, a moderate .. there is no party for me. I think both parties are equally morons. Trumpers on one side and AOCs on the other. Both polar ends are morons in my most humble and respectful and articulate position.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Meh ... this is why i dont like to talk politics. its just tribalism and repeated talking points over and over. Why are we talking about kavanaugh? Steele dosier? You forgot to mention Hillary and Uranium One. fast and Furious? Holder?

Its established as fact that Russia did interfere with our election to favor Trump.Outside of Manafort, I dont think Trump was personally in collusion with russia. I mean, his son tried but it ended up being a nothing.

You also forgot to mention that the whistle blower never heard the actual phone call either ... bc trump admin codes his phone calls so there is no transcript ever, just short hand notes taken at live time.

its cool. Presidents personal attorney going to a foreign country and representing the POTUS mafia style and getting money from an associate who got money from russia .. its all good. Its all juts MSNBC making it up.

You think Trump is a good president? good for you. Anything I say wont change your mind and its 100% your opinion and right to think and believe what you want.

I could have written your response bc its just the same dribble repeated over and over again (from both sides). What I am saying is just dribble as well. Mostly mocking though as anyone who is so entrenched with the belief that their side is 100% correct .... may need to take a step back and look around.

Im a centrist, a moderate .. there is no party for me. I think both parties are equally morons. Trumpers on one side and AOCs on the other. Both polar ends are morons in my most humble and respectful and articulate position.

So you believe Trump is getting paid off by the Russian government? Paid off by a guy paid by the Russian...that's what you are saying? mafia style?

wow ok

This isn't about my opinion of Trump as a President, its about Democrats conspiracy theories not based on facts and then the Media in lock step disseminating proven false hoods. Like the Russian Conspiracy Collusion lie, Kavanagh lie, and now an impeachment. If the Dems would have implicated Trump in a Bribery charge ie High Crime and Misdemeanor impeachment charge with testimony in the house, then jail for Trump and anyone involved. The problem is...there wasn't.

[sdskinsfan2001]

The good thing is its almost over with. Then Democrats can go back to their standard hating of the President and Republicans can go back to their standard sticking up for the President (even if he is wrong), for the next 1 to 5 years.

Would be nice to fight about actual policies again instead of Russia and Ukraine.

'MERICA!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Listening to Schiff then reading CNN's article it said what I was feeling - not really impeachment related, but an interesting read.

Adam Schiff is the one helping Vladimir Putin destabilize US democracy

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Listening to Schiff then reading CNN's article it said what I was feeling - not really impeachment related, but an interesting read.

Adam Schiff is the one helping Vladimir Putin destabilize US democracy

LOL, opinion piece. Putin just mad his puppet is in trouble.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, opinion piece. Putin just mad his puppet is in trouble.

I know it was an opinion piece, but it rang true to me. Why is Trump in trouble. It's clear that he's going to get acquitted, politically that is just a fact.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know it was an opinion piece, but it rang true to me. Why is Trump in trouble. It's clear that he's going to get acquitted, politically that is just a fact.

His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators. Mueller never exonerated trump the DOJ will never indite a sitting president but all bets are off when he is out of office.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators.

We will see. I think it will backfire on incumbents in general, house and senate.

Edit: 23 republican senators and 12 democratic senators are up in 2020, so it will certainly be a tell tale of how the man on the ground felt about all this. The one added factor will be RBGs health and replacement. That is going to draw liberals in droves.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators. Mueller never exonerated trump the DOJ will never indite a sitting president but all bets are off when he is out of office.

Guilty of what? If he is guilty as hell...why wasn’t he charged of a high crime in the articles of impeachment? This is what I don’t understand and why this looks so stupid...it’s a show all right.

[CRedskinsRule]

Schiff's close was clearly a political speech for his base's consumption. The reference to the CBS report was one that every never trumper and liberal will cling to as why republicans voted against witnesses/removal.

Ultimately I think the new Lev Parnas tape actually hammers home that this was a sham from the beginning, it was made in 2018(!!!) and why does the ambassador of Ukraine say dont worry about Trump, according to the audio? Because Trump will be impeached!!

The democrats need to convince their base of how they tried everything to impeach Trump because that is what they have preached from day 1 of Trump's presidency or else they will face their voters apathy in 2020.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Schiff's close was clearly a political speech for his base's consumption. The reference to the CBS report was one that every never trumper and liberal will cling to as why republicans voted against witnesses/removal.

Ultimately I think the new Lev Parnas tape actually hammers home that this was a sham from the beginning, it was made in 2018(!!!) and why does the ambassador of Ukraine say dont worry about Trump, according to the audio? Because Trump will be impeached!!

The democrats need to convince their base of how they tried everything to impeach Trump because that is what they have preached from day 1 of Trump's presidency or else they will face their voters apathy in 2020.

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LOL, they need to convince republicans to grab their balls and do what is right and throw that orange clown out on his ass, yet they won't and they will leave a black stain on this country for decades.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, they need to convince republicans to grab their balls and do what is right and throw that orange clown out on his ass, yet they won't and they will leave a black stain on this country for decades.

They didn't reach out to the moderates, at every turn they screamed coverup, treason, head on a pike. They made no attempt to show that witnesses or evidence would create significant change in their argument. They basically spent 23 + hours arguing a 2 hour brief.

They will take all the hyperbole and commercialize it in the hopes it will fire their base up at the election. But their base is where Republicans were not long ago on Obamacare, "we gave you the reins and you couldn't do anything with it".

By the way what is right is allowing the us electorate make the decision on who the president should be, not the whims of parliament.

We are not a European country that randomly throws out their prime minister. We have a structure that is in place to ensure no person has more than 8 years, and transitions are orderly.


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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

They didn't reach out to the moderates, at every turn they screamed coverup, treason, head on a pike. They made no attempt to show that witnesses or evidence would create significant change in their argument. They basically spent 23 + hours arguing a 2 hour brief.

They will take all the hyperbole and commercialize it in the hopes it will fire their base up at the election. But their base is where Republicans were not long ago on Obamacare, "we gave you the reins and you couldn't do anything with it".

By the way what is right is allowing the us electorate make the decision on who the president should be, not the whims of parliament.

We are not a European country that randomly throws out their prime minister. We have a structure that is in place to ensure no person has more than 8 years, and transitions are orderly.


Expect this video to be played a few times


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You do realize what Biden just did there is not what trump did , right? No where in that video is Biden asking for an investigation into trump is he?

[Giantone]

This is an Opinion Piece that I agree with...........chico and other trumpettes will not.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/washi...084145936.html



Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.

But The Washington Post editorial board has warned that the evidence Democrats have presented in the Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump over his Ukraine misconduct will eventually catch up to the president and Republican senators “whether they ignore it or not.”

In an editorial published Friday, the board said Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and his co-House impeachment managers had laid out “the hard evidence” to the GOP-controlled Senate that Trump “used presidential powers to pressure Ukraine into announcing investigations that would aid his reelection campaign, and that he engaged in unprecedented obstruction of Congress’s subsequent investigation.”

“Mr. Schiff pointed out that, whether or not GOP senators demand relevant testimony and documents during the trial, more facts will eventually come out,” it concluded. “Those who choose now to disregard the evidence against Mr. Trump and abet his obstruction will be reduced to watching in the months and years to come as the case against him — and against their abdication of constitutional duty