Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

Daseal · 09-18-2006, 02:52 PM

I've never been a fan of Brunell, but when he played well last year I gave him his props. But you know what, career over. He ran into pressure way too many times. Just trying to run out and running right into pressure that probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere near him. Brunell was, as usual, missing wide open throws, just like the preseason. Campbell has sat, he's been dedicated to learning this offense, and if we're going to have poor play from the QB position, I want one that's learning from his mistakes rather than regressing and just soaking up some money to end his career.

Brunell didn't get great protection, but a lot of that pressure he brought on himself. Pump faking, not making good reads, running out of the pocket or throwing way before he had real pressure. Some plays he didn't have a chance, but you'll get that sometimes. The INT to R. Will. was just an awful ball.

It's time for the Campbell era. I'm sorry Joe Gibbs -- this pickup failed, time to admit it and move on.

warriorzpath · 09-18-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

It's time for the Campbell era. I'm sorry Joe Gibbs -- this pickup failed, time to admit it and move on.

I don't think the pickup failed, but I do agree it may be time to move on. If it takes him as long to pick up this offense as he did when gibbs came back - it will be next year when he gets comfortable. He may just need some time to learn the offense, but unfortunately no one will be patiently waiting while he loses.

Mc2guy · 09-18-2006, 03:57 PM

This has been touched on but not highlighted when arguing for Campbell to start, but I'll make clear my layman thinking.

Raise your hand if you think Brunell is the QB of the future in Wash...

Of course he's not, and we know that Campbell is our future. New QB's invariably have to work through growing pains and must work their way up the learning curve of the NFL. By all accounts, Brunell is still in the early phases of his learning the Saunders system. Why would we want to suffer though another 10 games of Brunell learning the system just to have Campbell start next year and go through the same 10 game learning curve. Why not kill two birds with one stone, and put the kid in now.

Will he make mistakes, yes for sure. Will he cost us winnable games, maybe a couple. Does all that matter when the current QB can't complete a 10 yard out pattern or get the ball downfield at all? Not to me. As a paying fan, I would rather sit through a 7-9 or 6-10 season with JC at the helm learning how to be a pro and learning the Saunders system so he can come back strong in '07. This applies double when the alternative is to watch Brunell struggle to 8-8 only to get cut or retire at the end of the season.

We are in year 3 of the Brunell experiment and we are about where we started. Enough is enough. I no longer care if Brunell is the best option to "win now". I don't believe he's good enough to take us to the Championship so who cares if he's marginally better than a virgin QB.

SanFranSkinsFan · 09-18-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mc2guy

This has been touched on but not highlighted when arguing for Campbell to start, but I'll make clear my layman thinking.

Raise your hand if you think Brunell is the QB of the future in Wash...

Of course he's not, and we know that Campbell is our future. New QB's invariably have to work through growing pains and must work their way up the learning curve of the NFL. By all accounts, Brunell is still in the early phases of his learning the Saunders system. Why would we want to suffer though another 10 games of Brunell learning the system just to have Campbell start next year and go through the same 10 game learning curve. Why not kill two birds with one stone, and put the kid in now.

Will he make mistakes, yes for sure. Will he cost us winnable games, maybe a couple. Does all that matter when the current QB can't complete a 10 yard out pattern or get the ball downfield at all? Not to me. As a paying fan, I would rather sit through a 7-9 or 6-10 season with JC at the helm learning how to be a pro and learning the Saunders system so he can come back strong in '07. This applies double when the alternative is to watch Brunell struggle to 8-8 only to get cut or retire at the end of the season.

We are in year 3 of the Brunell experiment and we are about where we started. Enough is enough. I no longer care if Brunell is the best option to "win now". I don't believe he's good enough to take us to the Championship so who cares if he's marginally better than a virgin QB.

I agree completely. I felt like so conflicted last night because I was hoping for Brunell to get benched or worse. Chris Cooley has not done anything yet and Santana didn't get the ball enough (every time he got it he did something). J Campbell can throw the ball 60 yards on a rope, if he still has the arm he had in college. He also runs a 4.6 or 4.7 40 so he could escape and scramble a lot. Brunell can't even get rid of the ball before he gets sacked. He missed so many passes and we need someone with a gun back there. It's JC time, this kid has so much talent, he looks like Randall Cunningham of old.... and hopefully there will be a change this week. I can't believe how bad we are right now, and I don't feel good about even the Texans game. I hope they make the switch soon since we're still in competition for the division, but not if Brunell is QB the rest of the year.

warriorzpath · 09-18-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SanFranSkinsFan

I can't believe how bad we are right now, and I don't feel good about even the Texans game. I hope they make the switch soon since we're still in competition for the division, but not if Brunell is QB the rest of the year.

If Brunell loses or looks terrible in the Texans game, that may signal the change to JC.

jdlea · 09-18-2006, 04:05 PM

Even when the blitz was getting picked up Brunell was falling out of throws and skipping the ball at receivers feet. At this point, we need to see someone else in there. A player who has the balls to stand in, take the hit and deliver the football. Mark Brunell plays the game scared. He never throws deep and the one time he chose to "gamble" last night was probably one of the worst NFL passes I've ever seen. Mark Brunell looked like a high school quarterback that wandered into an NFL locker room. It was atrocious. He had something like a 26.2 rating before the last drive when he actually completed some passes against the prevent defense. His 67.7 rating after 2 weeks has him at 26th in the NFL.

Jason Campbell may not end up being a franchise quarterback, but there's only one way to find out. If this team is going to lose games early, why not lose them with a player that has a future in this league? Why get the offense in sync with Brunell by week 8 when this should be his last season? Even if he does come back next season, there is no chance he deserves the starting job. He doesn't deserve to start against the Texans and the way he played last night, I don't think he belongs in this league anymore.

Mc2guy · 09-18-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Even when the blitz was getting picked up Brunell was falling out of throws and skipping the ball at receivers feet. At this point, we need to see someone else in there. A player who has the balls to stand in, take the hit and deliver the football. Mark Brunell plays the game scared. He never throws deep and the one time he chose to "gamble" last night was probably one of the worst NFL passes I've ever seen. Mark Brunell looked like a high school quarterback that wandered into an NFL locker room. It was atrocious. He had something like a 26.2 rating before the last drive when he actually completed some passes against the prevent defense. His 67.7 rating after 2 weeks has him at 26th in the NFL.

Jason Campbell may not end up being a franchise quarterback, but there's only one way to find out. If this team is going to lose games early, why not lose them with a player that has a future in this league? Why get the offense in sync with Brunell by week 8 when this should be his last season? Even if he does come back next season, there is no chance he deserves the starting job. He doesn't deserve to start against the Texans and the way he played last night, I don't think he belongs in this league anymore.

Couldn't have said it better (I tried

). I have not called for Brunell's benching over the last 2+ years of blissfuly mediocre play. I have finally opened my eyes to what many have been saying for a while. I'm done defending him. No more excuses. In the NFL you are a winner or a loser and Mark Brunell is not a winner. End of story. He can retire in the knowledge that he had a decade plus as a starter in the league, and that he has a LOT of freakin' money, but that's it. Buy him a bus ticket...Jeff George his ass and cut him so no one is tempted to bring him back as a starter when JC struggles.

RiggoRules · 09-18-2006, 02:53 PM

I'm wondering....

There has been quite a bit of assumption on this board that Gibbs will go down with the Brunell ship. I'm questioning if that is really accurate.

He also has a pretty big investment and commitment in JC.

He's been watching the same games as everyone else and is clearly most unhappy. Watching his presser after the game last night, he seemed to take great pains to not even mention the QB position. For him, that is a pretty big vote of no confidence.

illdefined · 09-18-2006, 03:03 PM

i hear you Buster, but again, if we're going to be losing games until the offense finds its rhythm, shouldn't it be Campbell learning that rhythm?

yeah Brunell plays "smart" and "safe", and he certainly did so all game. even when it's time to go downfield and risk the interception when you're behind, Brunell stayed playing conservative and to the sides (tho he managed to get picked throwing to the side by the 1..). he didn't pass over the middle until late in the 4th quarter!

How do you leave players like Cooley and Moss starving for catches? sometimes i think Brunell is more concerned about INTs than points or yards.

we got a new coordinator and a new QB (with fresher legs) to get POINTS. so far this year, we've gotten 1 TD. we really want to wait for Brunell to find his 36 yr old rhythm?

firstdown · 09-18-2006, 03:38 PM

Brunell played very hard last night and it was a gutzy performance.

12thMan · 09-18-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Brunell played very hard last night and it was a gutzy performance.

Gutzy performance? If it were a matter of gutz, shit, stick anyone of us in there. Guts 'aint cuttin it right now. Playing hard? Are you serious? No one's question his guts, but rather his ability. And no matter what camp you fall in, it's time for someone to give some answers.

I don't mean to come down on you or sound like a know it all, but this 'aint about being gutzy right now. It's a time for accountabilty - quickly.
Either Al Saunders is accountable, Joe Gibbs or Mark Brunell. You take your pick, but someone is going to step up to the plate quick.

Stick a fork in Brunell, my man. He's done.

firstdown · 09-18-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Gutzy performance? If it were a matter of gutz, shit, stick anyone of us in there. Guts 'aint cuttin it right now. Playing hard? Are you serious? No one's question his guts, but rather his ability. And no matter what camp you fall in, it's time for someone to give some answers.

I don't mean to come down on you or sound like a know it all, but this 'aint about being gutzy right now. It's a time for accountabilty - quickly.
Either Al Saunders is accountable, Joe Gibbs or Mark Brunell. You take your pick, but someone is going to step up to the plate quick.

Stick a fork in Brunell, my man. He's done.

It was a joke. Don't you remember back in 04 when he was playing like crap and Gibbs used those words to describe how he had played in a game we lost. Everyone was like what is he watching.

bigmarley4 · 09-18-2006, 05:34 PM

I can't believe everyone is looking over the obvious solution. Put in Antwaan Randel-El at QB! I'm joking, but only sort of. I think ARE would be more composed and able to make quality throws than Brunell at this point.

LMsexyAO · 09-18-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmarley4

I can't believe everyone is looking over the obvious solution. Put in Antwaan Randel-El at QB! I'm joking, but only sort of. I think ARE would be more composed and able to make quality throws than Brunell at this point.

haha, I'll say this: ARE is not afraid of anyone! And most of all, he really, really wants to make a big play. Everytime he gets the ball he starts spinning around like a ballerina. Very fun guy to watch.

railcon56 · 09-18-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmarley4

I can't believe everyone is looking over the obvious solution. Put in Antwaan Randel-El at QB! I'm joking, but only sort of. I think ARE would be more composed and able to make quality throws than Brunell at this point.

It's a joke but hey ..Could Randel-EL possibly play worse or more whimpy than Brunell.

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09-18-2006, 02:52 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) I've never been a fan of Brunell, but when he played well last year I gave him his props. But you know what, career over. He ran into pressure way too many times. Just trying to run out and running right into pressure that probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere near him. Brunell was, as usual, missing wide open throws, just like the preseason. Campbell has sat, he's been dedicated to learning this offense, and if we're going to have poor play from the QB position, I want one that's learning from his mistakes rather than regressing and just soaking up some money to end his career. Brunell didn't get great protection, but a lot of that pressure he brought on himself. Pump faking, not making good reads, running out of the pocket or throwing way before he had real pressure. Some plays he didn't have a chance, but you'll get that sometimes. The INT to R. Will. was just an awful ball. It's time for the Campbell era. I'm sorry Joe Gibbs -- this pickup failed, time to admit it and move on. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

09-18-2006, 03:57 PM	#3
Mc2guy Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Burke, VA Age: 48 Posts: 287	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) This has been touched on but not highlighted when arguing for Campbell to start, but I'll make clear my layman thinking. Raise your hand if you think Brunell is the QB of the future in Wash... Of course he's not, and we know that Campbell is our future. New QB's invariably have to work through growing pains and must work their way up the learning curve of the NFL. By all accounts, Brunell is still in the early phases of his learning the Saunders system. Why would we want to suffer though another 10 games of Brunell learning the system just to have Campbell start next year and go through the same 10 game learning curve. Why not kill two birds with one stone, and put the kid in now. Will he make mistakes, yes for sure. Will he cost us winnable games, maybe a couple. Does all that matter when the current QB can't complete a 10 yard out pattern or get the ball downfield at all? Not to me. As a paying fan, I would rather sit through a 7-9 or 6-10 season with JC at the helm learning how to be a pro and learning the Saunders system so he can come back strong in '07. This applies double when the alternative is to watch Brunell struggle to 8-8 only to get cut or retire at the end of the season. We are in year 3 of the Brunell experiment and we are about where we started. Enough is enough. I no longer care if Brunell is the best option to "win now". I don't believe he's good enough to take us to the Championship so who cares if he's marginally better than a virgin QB.

09-18-2006, 04:05 PM	#6
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) Even when the blitz was getting picked up Brunell was falling out of throws and skipping the ball at receivers feet. At this point, we need to see someone else in there. A player who has the balls to stand in, take the hit and deliver the football. Mark Brunell plays the game scared. He never throws deep and the one time he chose to "gamble" last night was probably one of the worst NFL passes I've ever seen. Mark Brunell looked like a high school quarterback that wandered into an NFL locker room. It was atrocious. He had something like a 26.2 rating before the last drive when he actually completed some passes against the prevent defense. His 67.7 rating after 2 weeks has him at 26th in the NFL. Jason Campbell may not end up being a franchise quarterback, but there's only one way to find out. If this team is going to lose games early, why not lose them with a player that has a future in this league? Why get the offense in sync with Brunell by week 8 when this should be his last season? Even if he does come back next season, there is no chance he deserves the starting job. He doesn't deserve to start against the Texans and the way he played last night, I don't think he belongs in this league anymore.

09-18-2006, 02:53 PM	#8
RiggoRules Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) I'm wondering.... There has been quite a bit of assumption on this board that Gibbs will go down with the Brunell ship. I'm questioning if that is really accurate. He also has a pretty big investment and commitment in JC. He's been watching the same games as everyone else and is clearly most unhappy. Watching his presser after the game last night, he seemed to take great pains to not even mention the QB position. For him, that is a pretty big vote of no confidence. __________________ *"Lighten up, Sandy Baby."*

09-18-2006, 03:03 PM	#9
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) i hear you Buster, but again, if we're going to be losing games until the offense finds its rhythm, shouldn't it be Campbell learning that rhythm? yeah Brunell plays "smart" and "safe", and he certainly did so all game. even when it's time to go downfield and risk the interception when you're behind, Brunell stayed playing conservative and to the sides (tho he managed to get picked throwing to the side by the 1..). he didn't pass over the middle until late in the 4th quarter! How do you leave players like Cooley and Moss starving for catches? sometimes i think Brunell is more concerned about INTs than points or yards. we got a new coordinator and a new QB (with fresher legs) to get POINTS. so far this year, we've gotten 1 TD. we really want to wait for Brunell to find his 36 yr old rhythm? __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

09-18-2006, 03:38 PM	#10
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) Brunell played very hard last night and it was a gutzy performance.

09-18-2006, 05:34 PM	#13
bigmarley4 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 219	Re: Time to bench Brunell? (Mega-merge) I can't believe everyone is looking over the obvious solution. Put in Antwaan Randel-El at QB! I'm joking, but only sort of. I think ARE would be more composed and able to make quality throws than Brunell at this point.

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