Any update on Campbell?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by bertoskins

wow, I get excited hearing that from gibbs
hope that we have a future superstar qb, who does not only like to run aka mike vick, vince young
but also qb who is accurate and a decision maker ala brunell and brady

Now I have heard everything, runs like Vick? Decision maker like Brunell or BRADY? STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Where's on earth do we get the idea that Campbell is a decision maker? Who can't be accurate in practice? We can only hope that he's better than Vick, and Brunell, if he's not significantly better it was a wasted pick.

As for mentioning Campbells name with Bradys? You really can't be serious?????????????

[EEich]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'd love to see someone young and with alot of potential leading the team. I know Brunell did a great job this season and he offers the experience and maturity of an older player, but it always bothers me in the back of my mind that we know he's not around much longer. He's just a short-term solution.

I disagree that Brunell did a "great" job this season. He was adequate and inconsistent.
I think they made it to the playoffs because Gibbs decided to take the ball out of his hands.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by EEich

I disagree that Brunell did a "great" job this season. He was adequate and inconsistent.
I think they made it to the playoffs because Gibbs decided to take the ball out of his hands.

Brunell was the #13 ranked QB this season with a passer rating of 85.9. Is that mind-blowingly spectacular? No. Nobody is arguing he's Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, just saying he did a pretty good job, which he did.

57% on completions, and most impressive is 23 TDs to only 10 INTs. That's a better ratio than Tom Brady, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.

His stats prove him to be efficient and relatively low-risk. You play to your teams strengths. Our strength was running the ball, as is many teams. Doesn't mean the QB is worthless or "inadequate." This is a run-first team and probably always will be as long as Gibbs is coach. If you're looking for a gunslinger like Peyton Manning, find another team.

[Twilbert07]

Brunell did have a solid year. What scared me, though, were some of his bad decisions in the playoffs. That interception at Tampa could have cost us the game, and that intentional grounding at Seattle was not a good play for a veteran to make. He seemed too tired at the end.

That said, he'll be a great mentor for Jason Campbell whenever Coach Gibbs makes the switch next season.

[EEich]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Brunell was the #13 ranked QB this season with a passer rating of 85.9. Is that mind-blowingly spectacular? No. Nobody is arguing he's Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, just saying he did a pretty good job, which he did.

57% on completions, and most impressive is 23 TDs to only 10 INTs. That's a better ratio than Tom Brady, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.

His stats prove him to be efficient and relatively low-risk. You play to your teams strengths. Our strength was running the ball, as is many teams. Doesn't mean the QB is worthless or "inadequate." This is a run-first team and probably always will be as long as Gibbs is coach. If you're looking for a gunslinger like Peyton Manning, find another team.

OK... is #13 great? Was he consistent? Did the redskins win 6 in a row when they decided to go with the power running game? Are you disagreeing with me?

[FRPLG]

Gibbs never says anything negative abotu a player. The guy could be killing our season(hint:2004) and Gibbs would insist he is fighting his guts out. I love the coach but I'll believe Campbell is the goods when I see it with my eyes. I have no reason to think he isn' though so that is good.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Gibbs never says anything negative abotu a player. The guy could be killing our season(hint:2004) and Gibbs would insist he is fighting his guts out. I love the coach but I'll believe Campbell is the goods when I see it with my eyes. I have no reason to think he isn' though so that is good.

True Gibbs never says anything negative about a player, but conversely he's never effusive in his praise for a player either just for the sake of saying it. He never came out and praised Ramsey, for example, like that. For him to be that excited and specific (accuracy is a big thing with him and part of the reason they don't trust Ramsey) makes me think that he's seen things that will bode really well for the future of the franchise at that position.

Originally Posted by bertoskins

wow, I get excited hearing that from gibbs
hope that we have a future superstar qb, who does not only like to run aka mike vick, vince young
but also qb who is accurate and a decision maker ala brunell and brady

I don't know that Campbell has the speed/playmaking ability like a Vick or Young, he maybe a slower version of McNair back in his day.. He's got decent speed for a QB (4.6, 4.7) but he is by no means a blazer..

[Schneed10]

I think I'm pretty impressed with 23 TDs and 10 INTs from Mark Brunell this year, considering he had no second WR to speak of. If you add a second WR who is worth a damn, I could see 28 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

I don't see Campbell performing that well in his first year. Campbell may be capable of getting to 28 TDs due to the accuracy that Gibbs trumpets. But a young QB starting for his first year in the league is likely to throw a lot more than 10-12 INTs.

I will certainly keep an open mind and give Campbell a chance to show he deserves to start, but at this point I feel very comfortable with Brunell as the starter next season. I firmly believe our vet QB is not the problem keeping us from getting to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, the primary problem is WR.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think I'm pretty impressed with 23 TDs and 10 INTs from Mark Brunell this year, considering he had no second WR to speak of. If you add a second WR who is worth a damn, I could see 28 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

I don't see Campbell performing that well in his first year. Campbell may be capable of getting to 28 TDs due to the accuracy that Gibbs trumpets. But a young QB starting for his first year in the league is likely to throw a lot more than 10-12 INTs.

I will certainly keep an open mind and give Campbell a chance to show he deserves to start, but at this point I feel very comfortable with Brunell as the starter next season. I firmly believe our vet QB is not the problem keeping us from getting to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, the primary problem is WR.

I think you're right on that Campbell could throw more TDs but probably more INTs too - just goes with being the new guy and adjusting to the NFL.

Obviously winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal no matter who the player is. I guess I've always taken exception to the attitude that we'll try to win at any cost, even at the cost of building a strong, long-lasting team. Doing what the Raiders did and throwing together an amazing team for a one-year run is just disheartening. Look at them now.

I'm much more for long-term team growth than hanging on to Brunell in the hopes of snagging a Super Bowl win and having the team disintegrate afterwords. That's what makes the Patriots impressive is their ability to compete like they do year in and year out.

I don't think anyone will argue that Brunell is anything but a short-term solution. He's 36 now and will be 37 once then next season starts - he has very little time left to be effective.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I think you're right on that Campbell could throw more TDs but probably more INTs too - just goes with being the new guy and adjusting to the NFL.

Obviously winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal no matter who the player is. I guess I've always taken exception to the attitude that we'll try to win at any cost, even at the cost of building a strong, long-lasting team. Doing what the Raiders did and throwing together an amazing team for a one-year run is just disheartening. Look at them now.

I'm much more for long-term team growth than hanging on to Brunell in the hopes of snagging a Super Bowl win and having the team disintegrate afterwords. That's what makes the Patriots impressive is their ability to compete like they do year in and year out.

I don't think anyone will argue that Brunell is anything but a short-term solution. He's 36 now and will be 37 once then next season starts - he has very little time left to be effective.

Actually he's 35 now and will turn 36 shortly after next season starts.

[irish]

I just dont see campbell starting next year. I think Gibbs will try to milk every last ounce out of MB because he thinks MB gives the skins their best chance to win. Gibbs has assembled a playoff team and he will add more parts in the offseason, he's not going to take that playoff team and turn it over to an unproven qb. MB is the man until further notice.

[FRPLG]

I think the article Daly wrote in the Was Times has some interesting stuff about Brunell.
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=10666
My point about Brunell is the same as this guy's. This season was the best he could be. We can't count on getting this out of him again. I don't care if his receivers are Jerry Rice and Art Monk. We need to have a plan on how to have a better QB. Not just a solid guy but a good guy who allows us a thicker more advanced playbook.

[MTK]

It's kinda funny that last year at this time Brunell couldn't get it done period, now it's ok we were wrong yeah he can still play... but now he can't take the team all the way.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's kinda funny that last year at this time Brunell couldn't get it done period, now it's ok we were wrong yeah he can still play... but now he can't take the team all the way.

Do you think they can win a SB with Brunell as QB?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Do you think they can win a SB with Brunell as QB?

I really don't know, I'm not ready to say he absolutely cannot take the team all the way, and as I said in another thread I don't think it's all on his shoulders either.

Brunell's level of play seems to coincide with how the entire offense as a unit is playing. He's not a guy that can carry a team on his back, but when the offense is playing well he's a great compliment. Placing all the blame on Brunell when the offense struggles is a cop-out in my opinion. The offense as a whole struggled in the playoffs from the offensive line to the backs to the receivers.