Ryan Clark

dmek25 · 03-13-2006, 07:40 AM

i want clark back,too.just what am i missing in archuleta?i dont think he has any cover skills,not very fast,and doesnt hit as good as clark.so why spend bigger money when we already have someone that knows our defense and would be cheaper?

MTK · 03-13-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i want clark back,too.just what am i missing in archuleta?i dont think he has any cover skills,not very fast,and doesnt hit as good as clark.so why spend bigger money when we already have someone that knows our defense and would be cheaper?

Not sure what you're reading or not reading on Archuleta, but he's definitely faster, bigger and a harder hitter than Clark.

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He is an undersized SS who makes a lot of plays. He is not the same type of player, but the Rams try to do a lot of the same things Pittsburgh does with Troy Polamalu. He has very good straight-line speed for the position. He can come up on the line and match up with the TE in man-to-man situations. They will walk him up over the TE and he gets a nice jam, not allowing the TE to get a clean release. He plays more physical than his size. He flashes the foot quickness to align over a receiver in the slot. He is a solid zone safety -- has very good instincts. He closes well forward and to the sidelines in Cover 2. He is a smart player -- excellent instincts and can distinguish quickly between the run and pass. He anticipates well and shows excellent route recognition. He plays bigger than his size as a hitter -- can blow up ball carrriers and receivers when he gets them lined up. He did not play as well down in the box last season. He tends to get out-sized when blockers are able to reach him. He is not quick to shed blocks in run support. Because of his aggressiveness he does get out of position at times. He will overrun the ball in run support. He is more of a drag-down tackler -- better hitter than wrap-and-finish safety. Though he is fast, he can take some poor angles in coverage. He struggles in coverage as the deep safety. He does not have great ball skills in deep coverage. Overall, he is a high-energy player who flies to the ball. He loves football and plays with passion. He is a good Cover 2 SS and is effective enough dropping down in the box. He has the ability to make a team better in the back end.

MTK · 03-13-2006, 08:39 AM

So is Clark the 2006 pity party Redskin?

I guess we need someone to replace Ramsey and Arrington.

PWNED · 03-13-2006, 10:09 AM

yeah i would say so. as much as we know that the nfl is a business, mentally its hard to see someone go like that who worked their ass off to become a starter in the nfl. not someone like arrington who relied on pure atheltic ability

its tough for someone who shut their mouths, did their job and then see get kicked to the curb. not saying that archuleta wont be significantly better, but as a person, not a fan you really wish the team could find a spot for a plyer like that.

drew54 · 03-13-2006, 10:18 AM

I hate to see Clark go. He really did seem like a team player, and he really isn't that much smaller than AA. Sometimes I wonder about us letting guys go like him. I could write quite a list about players we let go due to Danny's flavor of the month, but with Gibbs here I guess I will just have to believe.

AA will be a fine replacement, and I am not worried about him taking the money and slowing down and not giving his all for the team. AA numbers are a little bit better than Clark's over the past two years, but in all honesty, I think Clark is just coming into his prime.

I wish him the best of luck and he could be a nasty addition to the Steelers.

#56fanatic · 03-15-2006, 03:21 PM

AA is a much better safety than Clark. at matty pointed out, bigger , faster , and the guy likes busting people up. Clark was a liability in coverage. He could come up and lay some wood against the run, but was always a step or two late on coverage. I give a two thumbs up for the AA signing. Sorry Clark, maybe you can play along side another good safety in Troy P(not even going to try the last name)

Beemnseven · 03-15-2006, 05:30 PM

This came from disgruntled Rams fans on the local sports talk radio show in my area, but ... they said that Archuleta is such weight lifting fanatic that he pulled a disc in his back a season or two ago, and hasn't been the same since.

But then, isn't that a common tactic among fans in the NFL who lose some of their favorite players to another team?

Take it for what it's worth. I still like the signing. It's better to have him than no Ryan Clark and no Sean Taylor in case he's watching Redskin games in an orange jumpsuit.

MTK · 03-13-2006, 10:23 AM

Archuleta is listed as 6-0, 223 pounds.

Clark is listed as 5-11, 205.

Archuleta's upside is still pretty significant, especially in a GW defense. Clark is a classic overachiever and we've probably already seen what he's capable of.

If GW wants Archuleta, that's all I need to know.

Carnage · 03-13-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Archuleta is listed as 6-0, 223 pounds.

Clark is listed as 5-11, 205.

Archuleta's upside is still pretty significant, especially in a GW defense. Clark is a classic overachiever and we've probably already seen what he's capable of.

If GW wants Archuleta, that's all I need to know.

Hear hear, Imagine if that blitzing safety could also stop the run. I hope we can resign Clark, but GW knows what hes doing. If he wants a cross-eyed safety then so be it.

shallyshal · 03-13-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Archuleta is listed as 6-0, 223 pounds.

Clark is listed as 5-11, 205.

Archuleta's upside is still pretty significant, especially in a GW defense. Clark is a classic overachiever and we've probably already seen what he's capable of.

If GW wants Archuleta, that's all I need to know.

totally agree. the upside of clark is that he is a disciplined player. tackles well. has decent hands and some coverage skills. gets swallowed up onthe blitz. he was undrafted.

arch was a first rounder and hits like a ton. his advantage is that he won't
get hung up while blitzing as he has a former linebacker's skill set. more like bowen inthat regards. the negative has been his lack of turnover production at safety.

as you say, if williams wants him, that is enough for me..

drew54 · 03-13-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shallyshal

totally agree. the upside of clark is that he is a disciplined player. tackles well. has decent hands and some coverage skills. gets swallowed up onthe blitz. he was undrafted.

arch was a first rounder and hits like a ton. his advantage is that he won't
get hung up while blitzing as he has a former linebacker's skill set. more like bowen inthat regards. the negative has been his lack of turnover production at safety.

as you say, if williams wants him, that is enough for me..

Your know what your so right. I would much rather have Ryan Leaf or Rick Mirer over Jake Dellomme because he was an undrafted player.

amorentz · 03-13-2006, 10:44 AM

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Your know what your so right. I would much rather have Ryan Leaf or Rick Mirer over Jake Dellomme because he was an undrafted player.

Yeah, but come on now...Arch has already shown he can play over the last 5 years with the Rams and is a top rated safety. Its not fair to compare him to Leaf or Mirer...

drew54 · 03-13-2006, 11:51 AM

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Yeah, but come on now...Arch has already shown he can play over the last 5 years with the Rams and is a top rated safety. Its not fair to compare him to Leaf or Mirer...

That wasn't my point. My point is it doesn't matter where your drafted. The fact that AA was drafted in the first round means nothing to me.

RedskinPete · 03-13-2006, 10:25 AM

I thought he[Clark] had a great season. There has to be something the Redskins and GW thinks he dosen't bring to the table. Is it cost or his play? I would love to have him back at the right price and throw in Chris Hope! But that is me because I really think Taylor will not be here in 06.

shallyshal · 03-13-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I thought he[Clark] had a great season. There has to be something the Redskins and GW thinks he dosen't bring to the table. Is it cost or his play? I would love to have him back at the right price and throw in Chris Hope! But that is me because I really think Taylor will not be here in 06.

taylor will be here in 2006... the lawyers will see to it.. as for clark, he made himself into a decent payer. probably worthy of being in rotation. but he has limitations due to size. i think he is similar to prioleau, whom we already have. he will land somewhere, but like ohalete or shade before him, nobody is gonna confuse him with an all pro

03-13-2006, 07:40 AM	#1
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Ryan Clark i want clark back,too.just what am i missing in archuleta?i dont think he has any cover skills,not very fast,and doesnt hit as good as clark.so why spend bigger money when we already have someone that knows our defense and would be cheaper? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-13-2006, 08:39 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Ryan Clark So is Clark the 2006 pity party Redskin? I guess we need someone to replace Ramsey and Arrington. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-13-2006, 10:09 AM	#4
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 33 Posts: 1,160	Re: Ryan Clark yeah i would say so. as much as we know that the nfl is a business, mentally its hard to see someone go like that who worked their ass off to become a starter in the nfl. not someone like arrington who relied on pure atheltic ability its tough for someone who shut their mouths, did their job and then see get kicked to the curb. not saying that archuleta wont be significantly better, but as a person, not a fan you really wish the team could find a spot for a plyer like that. __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

03-15-2006, 03:21 PM	#6
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Ryan Clark AA is a much better safety than Clark. at matty pointed out, bigger , faster , and the guy likes busting people up. Clark was a liability in coverage. He could come up and lay some wood against the run, but was always a step or two late on coverage. I give a two thumbs up for the AA signing. Sorry Clark, maybe you can play along side another good safety in Troy P(not even going to try the last name)

03-15-2006, 05:30 PM	#7
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Ryan Clark This came from disgruntled Rams fans on the local sports talk radio show in my area, but ... they said that Archuleta is such weight lifting fanatic that he pulled a disc in his back a season or two ago, and hasn't been the same since. But then, isn't that a common tactic among fans in the NFL who lose some of their favorite players to another team? Take it for what it's worth. I still like the signing. It's better to have him than no Ryan Clark and no Sean Taylor in case he's watching Redskin games in an orange jumpsuit.

03-13-2006, 10:18 AM	#5
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Ryan Clark I hate to see Clark go. He really did seem like a team player, and he really isn't that much smaller than AA. Sometimes I wonder about us letting guys go like him. I could write quite a list about players we let go due to Danny's flavor of the month, but with Gibbs here I guess I will just have to believe. AA will be a fine replacement, and I am not worried about him taking the money and slowing down and not giving his all for the team. AA numbers are a little bit better than Clark's over the past two years, but in all honesty, I think Clark is just coming into his prime. I wish him the best of luck and he could be a nasty addition to the Steelers. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

03-13-2006, 10:23 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Ryan Clark Archuleta is listed as 6-0, 223 pounds. Clark is listed as 5-11, 205. Archuleta's upside is still pretty significant, especially in a GW defense. Clark is a classic overachiever and we've probably already seen what he's capable of. If GW wants Archuleta, that's all I need to know. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-13-2006, 10:25 AM	#14
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Ryan Clark I thought he[Clark] had a great season. There has to be something the Redskins and GW thinks he dosen't bring to the table. Is it cost or his play? I would love to have him back at the right price and throw in Chris Hope! But that is me because I really think Taylor will not be here in 06.

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