How Can We Improve?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

I have assumed, as a newer member, that the Homerism was a function of the Redskins recent success. I think that if this were 1996, everyone would be in high dudgeon--Norv this and Casserly that. Am I wrong?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I have assumed, as a newer member, that the Homerism was a function of the Redskins recent success. I think that if this were 1996, everyone would be in high dudgeon--Norv this and Casserly that. Am I wrong?

If you browse the fansites of other teams, you'll read the same kind of posts you read here.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

hate to break it to you, argueing that stats are almost worthless and engaging in multiple circular arguements per week while refusing to even consider that you might possibly maybe be wrong about ANYTHING doesn't exactly promote debate.

In fact, rampant and ludicrous illogic stonewalls it. So does stating and believing that there's no such thing as proof regarding objective comparisions of players (making any debate involving who we should look at or who's better etc totally impossible, so every such post becomes a worthless he said/she said thread). If you can't prove anything, then there is no debate. And so once again i find it ironic that of all people, you're the one asking for better debate when that's the very thing you've tried so hard to kill over and over again on this very site.

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

What i think you meant to ask for is a pulpit where you can spew biased and unsupported opinions without being challenged while a loyal throng of idiot followers constantly PMs you about how amazing and smart you are.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

That Guy, I found that adding certain members to my ignore list makes this a better forum for me. Some members are self absorbed, oppositionally defiant, stupid, and/or not worth the time. You should add these people to yours!

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

hate to break it to you, argueing that stats are almost worthless and engaging in multiple circular arguements per week while refusing to even consider that you might possibly maybe be wrong about ANYTHING doesn't exactly promote debate.

In fact, rampant and ludicrous illogic stonewalls it. So does stating and believing that there's no such thing as proof regarding objective comparisions of players (making any debate involving who we should look at or who's better etc totally impossible, so every such post becomes a worthless he said/she said thread). If you can't prove anything, then there is no debate. And so once again i find it ironic that of all people, you're the one asking for better debate when that's the very thing you've tried so hard to kill over and over again on this very site.

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

What i think you meant to ask for is a pulpit where you can spew biased and unsupported opinions without being challenged while a loyal throng of idiot followers constantly PMs you about how amazing and smart you are.

I really tweaked your ego in that stats debate...didn't I?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I really tweaked your ego in that stats debate...didn't I?

I don't think you tweaked anybody's ego, Huddle. I have been involved in some debates with you on here, but I've also just been witness to debates between you and others like That Guy. In those debates in which I've just been an observer, if I were judging, I'd say you flat out lost. That Guy is right, your logic is often circular. If you're going to win debates as you seem to be so concerned with, you have to offer valid rebuttals when someone shoots your points down. Your points were shot down so often, but I never heard you rebut. You usually clammed up on the subject and then picked a different, and irrelevant, point to dispute. That's the reason that debates with you seem to drift towards the pointless and irrelevant aspects of the subject matter.

In my judgment, That Guy got angry with you because you're frustrating to argue with. Mind you, you're not frustrating because you can shoot down valid points with solid reasoning. You're frustrating because when someone shoots down your point, you dance around and argue different subjects. Then you continue to argue as if yours is a position of strength when it's clearly not. That's where the frustration stems.

That's my opinion on your debating skills. I don't think you're very good at it. My guess is a lot of people would see it the same way. If you're such a great debator and so great at getting your point across, how come NOBODY on this site agrees with you? Is it possible you're actually smarter than EVERYONE here? You probably think so, which is exactly why you're so frustrating.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I really tweaked your ego in that stats debate...didn't I?

nope, its the ongoing and continous hypocrisy and that glaring, persistant "do as i say, not as i do" attitude that i find most annoying.

You say you want better debate when you're the only one actively working against it, you say stats suck, then post articles on DVOA and how its useful, you make statements that you're smarter than the collective whole of all NFL coaches regarding the handling of QBs and actually believe those statements to be true. If you're REALLY that smug, there's no point in even talking to you, cause its obvious you're not listening and you're not learning. Its just the same stupid mistakes and faulty logic in exciting new forms! no thanks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

We always encourage a good debate. But controversy for the sake of controversy is not going to be happening here.

I haven't been all that involved in most of your threads. But as an observer, the one suggestion I would make to you is that you come across as determined to enter into debates with the purpose of winning them. As if we keep some sort of scoreboard here. The purpose of starting a debate on this thread is to strengthen your knowledge of the team and the particular topic being discussed. If someone presents an opposing view to what you have written the correct response is to take in what they have said and add it to your 150 IQ. Not say "You're pissed with me because you couldn't handle me in debate" That's not what this is about.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If someone presents an opposing view to what you have written the correct response is to take in what they have said and add it to your 150 IQ. Not say "You're pissed with me because you couldn't handle me in debate" That's not what this is about.

If someone presents an opposing view, I expect them to have reasons. If I think their reasons make sense, I'll grant them and I might even change my mind. If they don't, I'll tell them why they don't make sense. On a strictly moderated discussion-debate site this can all be done without engaging in personal attacks.

In this thread, two posters attacked me personally and you chastised me. This thread wasn't supposed to be about me. Why didn't you pounce on That Guy for starting this? If you and other mods would do that regardless of which opinion you agree with, it would be a better place.

I'll go back to lurking here. This and the Extremeskins site are a rich source of humor...especially when the posters are trying to be serious.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Huddle

If someone presents an opposing view, I expect them to have reasons. If I think their reasons make sense, I'll grant them and I might even change my mind. If they don't, I'll tell them why they don't make sense. On a strictly moderated discussion-debate site this can all be done without engaging in personal attacks.

In this thread, two posters attacked me personally and you chastised me. This thread wasn't supposed to be about me. Why didn't you pounce on That Guy for starting this? If you and other mods would do that regardless of which opinion you agree with, it would be a better place.

I'll go back to lurking here. This and the Extremeskins site are a rich source of humor...especially when the posters are trying to be serious.

I wasn't chastising you. Merely making an observation of how your demeanor comes across to some people. It's not like That Guy and Schneed have a whole litany of enemies on this site. By the same token, I hope they stop participating in this debate and get back to what the mods would like all of you to do-discuss how to make the site better. I believe you had a post once about how to determine the winner in a debate. I don't know if you were being facetious with it or what, but it's just not what the site is about.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

If someone presents an opposing view, I expect them to have reasons. If I think their reasons make sense, I'll grant them and I might even change my mind. If they don't, I'll tell them why they don't make sense. On a strictly moderated discussion-debate site this can all be done without engaging in personal attacks.

In this thread, two posters attacked me personally and you chastised me. This thread wasn't supposed to be about me. Why didn't you pounce on That Guy for starting this? If you and other mods would do that regardless of which opinion you agree with, it would be a better place.

I'll go back to lurking here. This and the Extremeskins site are a rich source of humor...especially when the posters are trying to be serious.

woah there buddy. YOU started it by complaining about how terrible the debate here is (implying everyone else sucks), then you talk about how smart you are (everyone else is an idiot). I'd like you to point out my insults, because I used evidence from your own previous statements to show they're facts.

YOU make it about yourself, you talk down to people, insult their intelligence, and vastly disrespect this board and its members and yet are SHOCKED when anything besides "we love huddle, you're so great" is posted.

this isn't a strict debate board, so stop with that tired excuse. if it were you'd actually have to debate criticism instead of offering unsupported opinions as undeniable fact. You've also engaged in quite a bit of personal attacks, avoidance and these played out "help, i'm being oppressed" routines yourself, and this constant smugness, talking down to people, and acting like they can't have opinions without your express written permission is insulting.

Maybe you're autistic or have a social disorder i don't know about and i shouldn't be so harsh, but the understanding of people and social IQ in some of your posts is stricty sub-zero.

[wilsowilso]

If there really is a fight I'll tell you what I think. It's about money in some way. Future profit. It's also about creative influence which is probably the most important thing for most of you anyways. It's clear everyone involved is very passionate about this site and the team. If there really is a fight I can't believe you guys would allow it to be made public because you all are too smart for that. Plus what exactly is in that list that would make some of you so angry if you didn't get your way? It just doesn't make much sense. I would like to give my input on many of these ideas, but no until I know what's up with this crazy day. The idea of a gathering is a great one. I know people meet up at games, but something else could be really fun.

[GTripp0012]

It's worked for this long, so there is no reason to believe it won't blow over. Unless there is something else we aren't being told.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Trust me guys, it's not in any way about money. I haven't seen a dime as a mod. I paid money to keep the site going.

[Big C]

kinda intrigued by the prospect of 2 sites to tell u the truth