Defense let us down!

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Originally Posted by gibbs4life

amen again the defense couldn,t come thru again,great job guys...
being up by 2 TDs man this defense stinks..

I agree about our D given up that many points but after our score early in the 3rd our O did nothing to held our team until late into the game. Betts almost had as many yards as our entire O.

[jdlea]

First of all, a big reason I'm pissed is because of all the beer I've been drinking. Second, the D is doing exactly what I expect them to do, namely, be a sorry excuse for an NFL defense. That's what they've done all year, so it's hard for me to get pissed about the D doing what they always do. The offense should realize the D sucks and try to outscore other teams. That's about all they can do. Take on the Colts philosophy or something, I don't know. I'm really pissed at Betts because people act like he's some kind of savior when in his 5 100 yard games I think they've had 2 wins and he went on to fumble this one away. We can run around in circles talking about stops and TD's, so I'm not gonna go there, but if he doesn't fumble they win. Period. Like I said in another thread, if the Skins call heads then they probably win. The D is bad, I concede that, for the 1000000th time this season. That just makes me put more owness on the O to step up and not put them in positions like Ladell did today.

[ncskinsfanec]

We would've probably been blown out if it wasn't for Betts! Get off his back already!

[jdlea]

Ladell Betts, in limited action this season, is tied with JP Losman (a guy who is more prone to fumble because he gets blindsided and touches the football more) for second most fumbles this season. He only trails Andrew Walter (another QB in the same boat as Losman). Wow, kinda puts that into perspective...

[Skins4Eva]

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

Well since you played Division 1 football and you think you have more Knowledge than anyone else, tell me how its Betts fault when your defense gives up over 600 yards of offense and 37 points?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

Are you serious "trade Betts and sign a beast like Duckett" amazing, your football knowledge is a little overblown, maybe you shouldnt post anymore after rediculous comments like that, maybe you did play Div. 1 football but your head definately got knocked around one to many times!

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

So , with the same OL , why didn't portis run for 3,000 yds last year or in 04 when he averaged less than 4 yds per carry ? Portis is a better player , better picking up the blitz , more explosive , but he is not even close to 4.5 yds a carry . Honestly who cares if some fans like Betts as much or more ? I just hope they can score some damn tds on a regular basis next year . maybe fans should be asking why our Wr's have done nothing this year , not bash the one guy carrying the load every week .

[ncskinsfanec]

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

My reason for making those comments isn't so much what's been said in this thread, but it's directed at the large community of people on this board who have contended that Portis should be traded to make way for the older, more injury prone, fumble machine that is Ladell Betts.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

My reason for making those comments isn't so much what's been said in this thread, but it's directed at the large community of people on this board who have contended that Portis should be traded to make way for the older, more injury prone, fumble machine that is Ladell Betts.

I have never once asked for Portis to be traded, and honestly i feel the Front Office should jump on this situation they have with Betts and trade him for picks, I am a huge Portis fan and feel he is the starter until he cant run anymore!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

I have never once asked for Portis to be traded, and honestly i feel the Front Office should jump on this situation they have with Betts and trade him for picks, I am a huge Portis fan and feel he is the starter until he cant run anymore!

Dude, I never said you did...if you read the post, I said it had nothing to do with what had been said in this thread...and, btw, sometimes there is only one "o" in the word "too."

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

Atleast some one in here is reasonable, this is all im trying to say also, but he keeps putting the loss sqaurely on the shoulders of betts and its truely infuriating.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Atleast some one in here is reasonable, this is all im trying to say also, but he keeps putting the loss sqaurely on the shoulders of betts and its truely infuriating.

Never once have I not acknowledged that the D didn't help blow that game. However, the offense got the football with a chance to win and then Ladell Betts put the Skins in a position to lose the football game. "If the d made a stop..." Ever hear of momentum. Kind of a big deal in football...especially for a home team. You kinda get it when you should have lost, but somehow came up with a gift fumble from the supposed superstar running back. That helps you win a game. Especially when there are about 2 mins left.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Never once have I not acknowledged that the D didn't help blow that game. However, the offense got the football with a chance to win and then Ladell Betts put the Skins in a position to lose the football game. "If the d made a stop..." Ever hear of momentum. Kind of a big deal in football...especially for a home team. You kinda get it when you should have lost, but somehow came up with a gift fumble from the supposed superstar running back. That helps you win a game. Especially when there are about 2 mins left.

Why are you acting like Ladell fumbled and gave the rams great field position, they went down the field like it was practice, the D gave the game away, plain and simple.