Commanders Post at The Warpath  

Home | Forums | Donate | Shop




Go Back   Commanders Post at The Warpath > Commanders Football > Locker Room Main Forum

Locker Room Main Forum Commanders Football & NFL discussion


JLC's crystal ball

Locker Room Main Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-22-2007, 06:03 AM   #16
dmek25
MVP
 
dmek25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: lancaster,pa
Age: 63
Posts: 10,672
Re: JLC's crystal ball

i would rather the skins get Vilma in the middle, instead of old man fletcher. and if springs is leaving, i sure hope the skins have plan be ready. because rogers is going to really have to step it up, big time this season. and i would think that smoot has little or no chance at coming back
__________________
"It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."
courtesy of 53fan
dmek25 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 02-22-2007, 08:07 AM   #17
724Skinsfan
Playmaker
 
724Skinsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 3,508
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Anybody have an idea what Fletcher, Smoot and Bly will cost us? I'm of the opinion that I'd rather have a veteran CB or two that can play all 16 games than an outstanding cover CB that may or may not be able to play half a season. Springs definitely has a history of injuries.
__________________
"I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn
724Skinsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 08:49 AM   #18
#56fanatic
The Starter
 
#56fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Charlotte NC
Age: 51
Posts: 1,801
Re: JLC's crystal ball

I hope we can trade down and get some more picks on the first day. if they dont, i look at Anderson to be the guy taken. Big, strong, can play the run and create a pass rush.

Springs..I love the guy as a player. He has played extremely well for us. However, if he does not restructure he may have to move on. This will be his 4th year and that contract is probably a little unfriendly for his age, plus injury concerns. However, they have to have a pretty stone cold plan of getting someone in return if he is let go. (Smoot, Bly...)

Fletcher... I have been skeptical, but after some thought, if we can get a year or two of solid play, then why not.

Hall has to go..he sucks. Suisham did remarkably well for us last season.

Dockery HAS TO...HAS TO BE RESIGNED. It would be a crime to let this guy go. It will be another black eye on the front office if he leaves. To me, he is one of the CORE guys this coaching staff speaks of. Our O line churned out the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL, with a #2 RB. He should be top priority before signing anyone to this team. Think about how he will feel if Fletcher or Clements is signed to a nice little contract before him. That will be a huge wrench in the negotiations if that happens.
#56fanatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 08:53 AM   #19
TheMalcolmConnection
I like big (_|_)s.
 
TheMalcolmConnection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Charlottesville, Virginia
Age: 43
Posts: 19,264
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by #56fanatic View Post
I hope we can trade down and get some more picks on the first day. if they dont, i look at Anderson to be the guy taken. Big, strong, can play the run and create a pass rush.

Springs..I love the guy as a player. He has played extremely well for us. However, if he does not restructure he may have to move on. This will be his 4th year and that contract is probably a little unfriendly for his age, plus injury concerns. However, they have to have a pretty stone cold plan of getting someone in return if he is let go. (Smoot, Bly...)

Fletcher... I have been skeptical, but after some thought, if we can get a year or two of solid play, then why not.

Hall has to go..he sucks. Suisham did remarkably well for us last season.

Dockery HAS TO...HAS TO BE RESIGNED. It would be a crime to let this guy go. It will be another black eye on the front office if he leaves. To me, he is one of the CORE guys this coaching staff speaks of. Our O line churned out the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL, with a #2 RB. He should be top priority before signing anyone to this team. Think about how he will feel if Fletcher or Clements is signed to a nice little contract before him. That will be a huge wrench in the negotiations if that happens.
My first reaction when I read he most likely won't get resigned was pure anger, but I sat back and really thought about the situation. So a lot of articles are stating that he's wanting a HUGE payday, I think TAF even mentioned that he's wanting top OFFENSIVE LINEMAN money, which is ridiculous. If this is the case, the Skins are wise to let him test the free agent waters and SEE FOR HIMSELF that he's not worth what he's asking for. While there's no one else I'd rather have at that position than him, we simply cannot afford to throw around ridiculous contracts.

It's a precedent that needs to get established NOW. When we want to resign Cooley and Taylor, how is it going to look if we give Dockery the biggest contract in the league for an offensive lineman? Taylor (while great, isn't the best in the league, same with Cooley) would all expect the same. It would be a damn shame to see him go, but if the Skins are prepared to offer him a competitive contract as to what other teams are offering him and he turns it down, we'll see some TRUE colors.
__________________
Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.
TheMalcolmConnection is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:02 AM   #20
#56fanatic
The Starter
 
#56fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Charlotte NC
Age: 51
Posts: 1,801
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection View Post
My first reaction when I read he most likely won't get resigned was pure anger, but I sat back and really thought about the situation. So a lot of articles are stating that he's wanting a HUGE payday, I think TAF even mentioned that he's wanting top OFFENSIVE LINEMAN money, which is ridiculous. If this is the case, the Skins are wise to let him test the free agent waters and SEE FOR HIMSELF that he's not worth what he's asking for. While there's no one else I'd rather have at that position than him, we simply cannot afford to throw around ridiculous contracts.

It's a precedent that needs to get established NOW. When we want to resign Cooley and Taylor, how is it going to look if we give Dockery the biggest contract in the league for an offensive lineman? Taylor (while great, isn't the best in the league, same with Cooley) would all expect the same. It would be a damn shame to see him go, but if the Skins are prepared to offer him a competitive contract as to what other teams are offering him and he turns it down, we'll see some TRUE colors.

I agree. I dont think he deserves top dollar. But i do think the skins should sign him to a NICE contract. he is only a 4 year player, has evolved into a dominant run blocker, is big strong, and can move. They may want to look at his progressiveness over the past few years, which would indicate he could be one of the best guards in the league if he continues to grow as he has. he has great o line people around him that will make him better every day. I would think it would be stupid to let him test FA market. he will get a good deal out there, one that the skins will not be able to match or come close to.
#56fanatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:19 AM   #21
Hog1
Quietly Dominating the East
 
Hog1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 10,675
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Think about it. How many fans on this site have spent MANY hours "crafting" smoking posts as to the Skins spendthrift tendencies???? It makes no sense to kick their ass from the other side for trying to employ a little fiscal responsibility.
Let's see how it plays out and a few more $$$$ details surface
__________________
Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios
thankyou Joe.......
“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs
Hog1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:30 AM   #22
TheMalcolmConnection
I like big (_|_)s.
 
TheMalcolmConnection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Charlottesville, Virginia
Age: 43
Posts: 19,264
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by #56fanatic View Post
I agree. I dont think he deserves top dollar. But i do think the skins should sign him to a NICE contract. he is only a 4 year player, has evolved into a dominant run blocker, is big strong, and can move. They may want to look at his progressiveness over the past few years, which would indicate he could be one of the best guards in the league if he continues to grow as he has. he has great o line people around him that will make him better every day. I would think it would be stupid to let him test FA market. he will get a good deal out there, one that the skins will not be able to match or come close to.
But see the problem with NOT letting him test the FA market is that he won't know that he's not worth the money he's asking for. What the Skins should do is, let other teams make offers, take that team's top offer and match it or up it a bit. If TAF's information and sources are correct (typically they are), then it would be a DANGEROUS contract to absorb.
__________________
Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.
TheMalcolmConnection is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:35 AM   #23
MTK
\m/
 
MTK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 52
Posts: 99,832
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Dockery has to be re-signed at a fair price, we can't bust the bank on the guy. He simply doesn't deserve to be the highest paid OL on this team.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
MTK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:37 AM   #24
Sheriff Gonna Getcha
Franchise Player
 
Sheriff Gonna Getcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 46
Posts: 8,317
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
Dockery has to be re-signed at a fair price, we can't bust the bank on the guy. He simply doesn't deserve to be the highest paid OL on this team.
I wholeheartedly agree. Trust me, I really, really want him to be re-signed. But if the guy is asking for a Randy Thomas type deal he's just crazy.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 09:42 AM   #25
EARTHQUAKE2689
You did WHAT?!?
 
EARTHQUAKE2689's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna.
Age: 36
Posts: 14,185
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
The Crystal Ball

As I've said before, I'm not big on predications, but as we stand a week away from the start of the 2007 NFL calendar, and the goodness March 2 brings with it, I figured I'd weigh in on some fairly educated guesses about what's to come in Skinsland. I have done a fair amount of reporting the last few weeks , and while it is still too early to get a great read on certain situations, well, what the hell. It's a blog so I'll play a few hunches and we'll see how this shakes out.


I am sure some of you out there will be keeping score, and by all means, please do. By mid-March we can all sit back, review this post and I'll let you guys dole out my grades. Of course, much of this is still in flux, and at any time in the next week all it would take is one phone call and the entire tenor of certain negotiations could change. So with that caveat in mind, here goes:


GUYS WHO WILL BE CUT: I see them releasing Hall, Patten, Vincent, Fauria (this list does not include free agents who the team does not intend to pursue, like Wright, Holdman). Some within the organization are counting on Wynn and Daniels coming back, but I think Renaldo could be in jeopardy of being cut. He and Daniels have heard nothing from the organization and there have been no attempts to restructure yet.


FREE AGENTS WHO WILL BE BACK (and the Skins don't have many FA of any sort): I would be stunned at this point if Dockery is re-signed before March 2. Now, they could still end up getting him out on the open market, but unless the Skins really raise the figures they are exchanging, my peeps tell me what's being offered now is not in the range to get Dock to forgo free agency. He's looking to see what's out there at this point. I'd put the odds on him coming back around 50-50 right now, while stating, again, that there is ample time for this to change.


Other than that, Jimoh will be back for around the minimum. They have expressed an interest to re-sign Pucillo, who actually was quite valuable, and I believe they'll get that done. I would be surprised if Fox is not re-signed, and Posey is a possibility, too. They also want to keep Todd Wade, but know it is a long shot at best. From what I heard, Wade is intent on playing the free agent market and for good reason - the dude is huge, had a great game in his only start and is over his knee problems. Several Redskins were very impressed with him in practice all season, believing he could play RT in the league no problem, and I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get that chance.


GUYS THEY ARE TRYING TO RESTRUCTURE: As I've said all along, it looks like Springs is going to be getting paid someplace else next season. Barring a major reversal in the tone of that negotiation when the sides meet at the combine, I believe he will be gone by June at the latest. There is a lot of work to be done with Brunell as well, but I think he will ultimately agree to a stripped-down contract and be back at a much more manageable cap number. From everything I have heard, Lloyd and Arch Deluxe are safe and have been informed of nothing to the contrary. Coaches are banking on both being back.


FREE AGENTS THEY WILL PURSUE. London Fletcher will be priority No. 1 from everything I have heard (if he's not in the building the day free agency opens, I'd be floored). Lemar has been beaten up playing in the middle and there are concerns that at his size he will not hold up there. They believe that if used situationally (wasn't sure this was a word at first; then assured it was), they could max his skills. He will get a lot of work on the strong side with Marcus coming back from serious hip surgery this offseason, and the expectation is that Rocky takes hold of the weak side. Fletcher has been a warrior and is very durable. He does all the dirty work and knows this system inside out (remember, the original idea here all along was for a "super-smart" vet, Mike LB to lead this defense (Barrow, Mike), and Fletcher fits the bill.


They love Nate Clements too and will make a play for him, but are not positioned to compete with teams sitting on $25 million of cap space to sign him, and some within the organization concede they may not be able to get their man this time. Smoot has earned very favorable reviews during internal discussions, and if he is cut I would be stunned if he does not get an immediate call from the Skins. The Skins also have fairly good internal scouting reports on Dre' Bly, and while they don't necessarily love him, the duo of Smoot and Bly might be able to fill some of the void if Springs leaves as expected.


I would not rule them out making calls to Patrick Kearney and Chris Kelsay as well, but again, are probably not in position to land them. They will explore those options, but plan on addressing the D Line (and its overall lack of youth) in this draft in a big way. They will look at several tight ends as well - maybe Eric Johnson in San Fran. They need a competent pass catching compliment to Cooley, and while Kyle Brady doesn't fit the bill in that regard, he could at least fill Fauria's shoes cheaply.


THE DRAFT: There is a strong sentiment by some within the organization that they should trade down. Of course, it takes two to tango and the reality is that such a deal is highly unlikely to take place until the week before the draft at the earliest,. and even then probably when the team is actually on the clock. There is a hope Adrian Peterson or another offensive star will slip out of the top 5, and someone will be willing to step up to get him. The Skins would love get a pick in the 18-25 range, plus pick up a second rounder and maybe even something else. If they stay at 6, the emphasis will be on a pass rusher, with Adams and Anderson atop the best available. If you put a gun to my head today - and obviously we're a ways off from anything actually happening here - I say they trade down and still address the D Line with their early picks.


There is a consensus that overall this entire offseason is about the defense. The Skins have about as much money guaranteed to their QBs, RB's WR and O Line as any team in the NFL, and clearly need to improve the other side of the ball.


So there you have it. Again, none of this is written in stone, but it's my take on the scene as we stand right now. Oh yeah, and I'm thinking The Ugly Mug Sat. I'll post something Thurs. trying to get a head count of how many to expect. Hope to see as many of you guys there as possible (I'll be the dude who looks like the twerp in the picture in the left hand corner of your screen).



Link: The Crystal Ball - Redskins Insider

99% agree with you but i think that clements is number one on the list and i think they will end up paying him what he wants
__________________
https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT

Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.
EARTHQUAKE2689 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 10:01 AM   #26
JWsleep
Propane and propane accessories
 
JWsleep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 56
Posts: 4,719
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Good stuff from JLC. I agree about no t breaking the bank in Dock, and I prefer the trade down scenario, though as he says it may not be possible.

Fletcher, a decent CB, and some youth and fire on the DL will help things.

Wonder if they are seeing Springs as an injury liability at this point? And I agree about the Friend article angle. Still, the cap numbers don't seem to make sense at this point.

I am more worried about M Washington now. Hope that hip heals up good. Nice to hear Rocky is projected to take the WLB role, if that's true.
__________________
Hail from Houston!
JWsleep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 10:39 AM   #27
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
Impact Rookie
 
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Age: 40
Posts: 896
Re: JLC's crystal ball

am I the only one that sees a need for a safety?
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 11:30 AM   #28
Redskins8588
Playmaker
 
Redskins8588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ridgway, PA
Age: 46
Posts: 2,519
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
The Crystal Ball

GUYS WHO WILL BE CUT: I see them releasing Hall, Patten, Vincent, Fauria (this list does not include free agents who the team does not intend to pursue, like Wright, Holdman). Some within the organization are counting on Wynn and Daniels coming back, but I think Renaldo could be in jeopardy of being cut. He and Daniels have heard nothing from the organization and there have been no attempts to restructure yet.

Well so far he was right about Vincent...
Vicent wavied
Redskins Release Vincent
__________________
"I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor
Redskins8588 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 12:14 PM   #29
Defensewins
Playmaker
 
Defensewins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 3,765
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
I don't get his take on Springs either. Unless the staff is convinced his injuries have taken too much of a toll on him, I don't see why they wouldn't want him back.

I do agree about Fletcher, I think he'll be one of the first guys at Redskins Park once free agency opens. I also agree on Clements, his price might be too high. It's not like we're one player away on defense, we have too many holes to fill to spend a ton on Clements.
It might be Springs high cap number in combination with the high amount of games he has missd here and Seatle in the last 5 years.
Defensewins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2007, 12:17 PM   #30
redsk1
The Starter
 
redsk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,351
Re: JLC's crystal ball

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection View Post
My first reaction when I read he most likely won't get resigned was pure anger, but I sat back and really thought about the situation. So a lot of articles are stating that he's wanting a HUGE payday, I think TAF even mentioned that he's wanting top OFFENSIVE LINEMAN money, which is ridiculous. If this is the case, the Skins are wise to let him test the free agent waters and SEE FOR HIMSELF that he's not worth what he's asking for. While there's no one else I'd rather have at that position than him, we simply cannot afford to throw around ridiculous contracts.

It's a precedent that needs to get established NOW. When we want to resign Cooley and Taylor, how is it going to look if we give Dockery the biggest contract in the league for an offensive lineman? Taylor (while great, isn't the best in the league, same with Cooley) would all expect the same. It would be a damn shame to see him go, but if the Skins are prepared to offer him a competitive contract as to what other teams are offering him and he turns it down, we'll see some TRUE colors.
Agree. The problem is the skins have no consistency or philosophy when it comes to FA, keeping current players, etc. I agree that we need to start a philosophy and STICK w/ it. It does no good if we let Dock go, if he's expecting top oline $ & turn around and "archuleta" the next FA that comes around.
redsk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We have no official affiliation with the Washington Commanders or the NFL.
Page generated in 3.69297 seconds with 10 queries