Franchise Tag: Cooley or Taylor?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This really wasn't about franchising, per se, but rather which player fellow Warpathers feel is more valuable to the team.

OK, then that's a better question.

On the franchising question, I said I'd franchise Cooley, mainly because he's a good teammate. Both Taylor and Cooley are incredibly valuable to the team, but Taylor kind of does his own thing while Cooley seems more about being a Redskin.

But if you're asking who does more to help our team win football games? I'll go with Sean Taylor by the hair of his chinny chin chin. His range in the backfield is exactly what will allow GW to unleash blitzes. Taylor's range allows GW to move the strong safety (Landry) up into the box more often, meaning he can blitz LBs from all over the place and still have Landry in position to play the run.

Then again, Saunders uses Cooley down the middle of the field to threaten the safeties and hold them in the center of the field, which can help free Moss and the other WRs on the outside for one on one coverage with the CBs. Cooley also has a knack for getting open when you really need to move the chains, like on a crucial 3rd and 7 or something. He has a way of finding the holes in the zone and settling down. He's a good outlet for Campbell.

They're both very valuable, but I'll say Taylor's a bit more valuable because without his range, I don't think GW has the confidence in the corners to blitz quite that much.

Sorry for crapping on your question 12th, I got hung up on the franchising thing.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's stupid because there is no foreseeable circumstance in real life in which Taylor and Cooley would be competing for the franchise tag.

It's a debate because some people are choosing Taylor, others are choosing Cooley, and arguing the merits of either choice.

I'd say it is silly because the question implictly asks "who is the more valuable player?" within the context of the franchise tag. Which is unrealistic.

First off it is 100% subjective to debate the merits and value of two distinctly different players They play different positions and contribute in totally different ways. Hell they don't even play on the same unit with the same purpose. I know I find such discussions tedious and really pointless unless faced with a realistic or on-going situation. Which we do not have here.

These types of arguments tend to go "Well I think this" and "Well you're wrong and I think this". Then "Well we'll just disagree". Then it is over because in the end there will be no one who is "right" because the situation doesn't really exist. If it did then in the end somone would have come down on the "right" side of the argument. "Right" meaning the side that actually happened.

So in this case you're having a discussion/debate that can never be absolutely resolved. That is maddening to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's stupid because there is no foreseeable circumstance in real life in which Taylor and Cooley would be competing for the franchise tag.

It's a debate because some people are choosing Taylor, others are choosing Cooley, and arguing the merits of either choice.

I tend to agree. There's really not much point in discussing who to keep because there's simply no ounce in reality here. But for the sake of discussion we've certainly had worse threads. There's nothing wrong with hyotheticals as long as people at the same time understand the reality of the situation.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This debate is stupid.

But I guess I'll throw my vote toward Cooley. Taylor hasn't shown me that he is the dominant force everyone promised he'd be. Cooley, on the other hand, has consistently exceeded expectations.

Oh, and I wouldn't want my Cooley jersey to become out of date.

[12thMan]

It's a very strange thing to me. You know, how you could make millions and millions of dollars and still be unhappy.

Still, I can see where the players are coming from. It's like I bust my balls for 'minimum wage' for a few years, you as my employer start to finally recognize that I'm the man, but you compensate me for one year...only to wait and find out whether I'll be the man again next season.

Oh, and if I'm older or I get injured, all bets are off.

[skinsfan69]

I wouldn't franchise either guy. I would sign Cooley to a long term deal. He deserves it. Taylor? I don't know about him. Is it me, or does it seem like he just doesn't want to be here??

[Longtimefan]

Franchise Tag usually means one thing "distraction" something the Redskins are no stranger too.

[REDSKIN2]

Taylor is locked in for a few more years but Cooley should be a priority in getting signed like now. Now is the best time to do it. His value should be affordable and we can get him into a cap friendly contract. Once we are into the start of the season its too late, he's going to test the market and if he has a good year no way we sign him. The SKINs track record in resigning their own marquee FAs is bad. Ladell Betts has been their only success. Everyone else left: Smoot (although he's back and cheaper), Pierce, Clark, Dockery

[hail_2_da_skins]

The Skins should attempt to resign both. Resigning Cooley will probably be easier than Taylor. Taylor has a difficult agent and seems to be upset with some of the moves the Redskins have made. He may hold out for a big contract. Therefore he would be a good candidate for the franchise tag. I would hate to see him go, but the team cannot allow a single player to hold them hostage. If he wants to play hardball, let him go.

[FRPLG]

I would franchise the guy that it would be cheaper to franchise. So probably Taylor. I am only guessing that it is more expensive to franchise a TE than a S. If the reverse is true then I reverse my opinion. Sign the more expensive guy and franchise the other. That minimizes your cap hit.

Ultimately though this is a worthless discussion as Schneed has pointed out.

[KLHJ2]

F*** it! Cut em all, lets start from scratch, since we are going to be so horrible anyway! In fact the team shouldnt even take the field without either of those two guys. We will just play the preseason for the next decade, earning the first pick every year. Wake me up when we're the new Patriots.

Last time I checked we root for the Washington Redskins, not Sean Taylor or Chris Cooley. Long after they are gone we will still support the Skins. So if by some off the wall circumstance we don't get either of them resigned, so what! We still have a team, we want them to compete, and we want them to do well. Stop Crying!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

taylor hopefully it wont come to that

[12thMan]

Well, I like my crappy thread.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, I like my crappy thread.

and that's all that matters

[Rajmahal33]

Tag Cooley:

1) Taylor is a safety and if Landry was to pan out Taylor would be less of a precious commodity (besides we are going to need a conservative safety at some point)

2) If Taylor who is already kinda uppity gets the tag, he could end up sitting out games...and eventually sign with another team

3) Cooley is more likely to rework a deal during that tagged season than Taylor

4) Cooley is just as much of a fan fav as Taylor and IMO the tie goes to the Offensive player

5) Campbell uses Cooley as his safety net which is important to extended success of the football team

6) In the unlikely event that we were going to trade the tagged player b/c of his feelings or cap #'s or whatever, Cooley has more trade value b/c he is undoubtedly top 3 in the league at his position...