Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line

Beemnseven · 10-29-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wade has also been battling shoulder and groin problems all year so that has probably hurt his effectiveness.

Now, on the plays that I've seen, it hasn't been injuries that were the problem with Wade. Twice in two different games I've watched Wade while someone goes right past him, and he's looking in to help whoever the right guard is blocking. Yesterday, when Vrabel ran directly around him, Wade didn't even look at him, and his reaction was clearly that of someone who missed an obvious assignment.

Could be a scheming problem, or it could be just another glaring example of the differences between Todd Wade and Jon Jansen.

The Zimmermans · 10-29-2007, 04:00 PM

Janson was a sure thing....in that he didnt let guys run through untouched and blind side our QB

JWsleep · 10-29-2007, 04:09 PM

Is Demulling converted tackle, or a natural guard? That might be something to think about in the run game. But my guess is that only one change should be made at a time. Still, given the Jets, this is not a bad test case. It is on the road, but still easier than against Philly's D or in Dallas. Was Heyer active yesterday?

GTripp0012 · 10-29-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Is Demulling converted tackle, or a natural guard? That might be something to think about in the run game. But my guess is that only one change should be made at a time. Still, given the Jets, this is not a bad test case. It is on the road, but still easier than against Philly's D or in Dallas. Was Heyer active yesterday?

He's a natural guard.

He's also got a reputation that's closer to Pucillo than Wade or Fabini.

JWsleep · 10-29-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's a natural guard.

He's also got a reputation that's closer to Pucillo than Wade or Fabini.

Does that mean he's good? I wasn't exactly blown away by Puccillo the other week...

GTripp0012 · 10-29-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Does that mean he's good? I wasn't exactly blown away by Puccillo the other week...

I don't know if he's good or not, but I don't think Fabini is doing a particularly bad job. I'm not sure if DeMulling is an improvement.

SC Skins Fan · 10-29-2007, 04:25 PM

I agree that Wade is the best option. Unfortunately he is the best of some pretty bad options at this point. I haven't gone back and watched the game again, and I do not plan to do so ever, but the one that sticks out to me is one of Vrabel's three sacks. Wade stepped out to pick up the blitz from Vrabel, Vrabel stutter stepped, then Wade saw pressure flashing from the inside linebacker and stepped down to pick him up. Unfortunately the inside backer was the back's responsibility and Portis stepped up to take him. When Wade stepped down to try to pick up a man that was not his responsibility that left the corner up to Vrabel who proceeded to hit Campbell and jar the ball loose (Jason really has to secure the ball back there, feel pressure and get rid of it, so part of the fumble is on him). Still, I can maybe understand a physical error given the fact that the Skins have been relegated to playing back-ups and because Wade has been playing hurt. However, on that play at least, the problem was a mental error on Wade's part and I just cannot excuse that.

Having said that, I don't think Heyer is the answer. His technique is poor, he plays WAY too tall and gets pushed around by stronger guys. He is also prone to more mental errors (you'd think) than a veteran like Wade. The Skins need to try despartely to find some consistancy on the line. I am not very optimistic at this point that they will find it, but putting Heyer in there is not the answer. In a similar vein, as bad as Fabini has been I don't know that you can expect DeMulling to do any better. We don't see this guy in practice, so what is it that gives you confidence that he has the talent to improve the line? I can only believe that there was a reason this guy was available so late in the season and a reason that he was cut from the Lions. Everything I read about him in Detroit was negative and indicated he was an overpaid bust up there who couldn't even crack the starting lineup in Detroit. Like I said, I don't see the practice tape so I can only trust the coaches. If he isn't in there I must believe it is because he does not make the team any better. If it is just a lateral move then you might as well keep Fabini and hope against hope that continuity will help make this line a little better in the coming weeks.

skinsWill · 10-29-2007, 04:28 PM

I was having this discussion w/ Freddy last week and he made a very good point... DeMulling was on the street 3 weeks into the season... not a starting caliber guy. Any of you who have been redskins fans for a long time and know the coaching staff (even if you dont like the coaching staff now) KNOW that Joe Bugel is going to put his best 5 guys out there every week. Fabini is a liability but if DeMulling was better Buges would have put him in by now, same w/ Wade and Heyer.

JWsleep · 10-29-2007, 04:32 PM

When Wade got nicked up in the pack game, Buges went to Heyer--wonder if he'd have stayed with him against zona if Heyer didn't get hurt?

I agree that DeMulling is not what we need, but I am curious. It's Wade that's been stinking up the joint, IMO.

GusFrerotte · 10-29-2007, 10:49 PM

Can't bring in a guy to different role right away and expect him to be an All Pro. The solution to our serious problem is simply to add quality depth at O line next season. We are only at the halfway point and to think we will be injury free from here on in is almost fantasy. Never have seen so many injuries on a Skins squad before or in the NFL in general.

GMScud · 10-29-2007, 10:58 PM

Is it me, or does anyone else think Wade is an emotionless player? I understand you don't typically see offensive lineman getting fired up on a regular basis. But when you hear interviews with guys like Thomas, Samuels, Rabach, and Kendall, it's pretty easy to tell they have a punch-you-in-the-mouth mean streak. Wade seems just kinda blah to me. And he doesn't seem too tough on the field either. Remember how relieved a bunch of us were when we resigned him in the offseason? Ugh. Not that we'd be better off without him, but he's sure as hell not killin' it for us.

JWsleep · 10-29-2007, 10:52 PM

But Wade has been getting WORSE out there (or is it just me?), when he should be getting more comfortable. And Jansen is getting older and has missed now 2 seasons of JG's second tenure. We need more than depth, most likely.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 10-29-2007, 11:13 PM

man all the people who were bitching about Jansen the last couple of years sure do miss him now huh? man how times have changed.

JWsleep · 10-30-2007, 01:06 PM

Sack in zona game. At least one against NE. Have to go back and check, I guess.

But Wade is NOT a great run blocker--that's actually what's weakest about, I thought.

Coff · 10-30-2007, 01:15 PM

Regardless of whether Wade is the ideal back-up right now, we have to stick with him, otherwise we would be starting from scratch. O-lineman need time to develop chemistry, and replacing Wade with Heyer puts us back at square one, and I doubt that Heyer is so much better than Wade as to neutralize the learning curve (if he is even better at all).

A little bit more time together, under Bugel's tutelage, and this patch job line will begin to at least be functional (as it has already shown the ability to be against lesser opponents). The next few games are very winnable as long as we don't make too many mistakes. So we weather the storm, then invite Randy T. back in December for the stretch run.

10-29-2007, 04:00 PM	#2
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Janson was a sure thing....in that he didnt let guys run through untouched and blind side our QB __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-29-2007, 04:09 PM	#3
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Is Demulling converted tackle, or a natural guard? That might be something to think about in the run game. But my guess is that only one change should be made at a time. Still, given the Jets, this is not a bad test case. It is on the road, but still easier than against Philly's D or in Dallas. Was Heyer active yesterday? __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-29-2007, 04:25 PM	#7
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line I agree that Wade is the best option. Unfortunately he is the best of some pretty bad options at this point. I haven't gone back and watched the game again, and I do not plan to do so ever, but the one that sticks out to me is one of Vrabel's three sacks. Wade stepped out to pick up the blitz from Vrabel, Vrabel stutter stepped, then Wade saw pressure flashing from the inside linebacker and stepped down to pick him up. Unfortunately the inside backer was the back's responsibility and Portis stepped up to take him. When Wade stepped down to try to pick up a man that was not his responsibility that left the corner up to Vrabel who proceeded to hit Campbell and jar the ball loose (Jason really has to secure the ball back there, feel pressure and get rid of it, so part of the fumble is on him). Still, I can maybe understand a physical error given the fact that the Skins have been relegated to playing back-ups and because Wade has been playing hurt. However, on that play at least, the problem was a mental error on Wade's part and I just cannot excuse that. Having said that, I don't think Heyer is the answer. His technique is poor, he plays WAY too tall and gets pushed around by stronger guys. He is also prone to more mental errors (you'd think) than a veteran like Wade. The Skins need to try despartely to find some consistancy on the line. I am not very optimistic at this point that they will find it, but putting Heyer in there is not the answer. In a similar vein, as bad as Fabini has been I don't know that you can expect DeMulling to do any better. We don't see this guy in practice, so what is it that gives you confidence that he has the talent to improve the line? I can only believe that there was a reason this guy was available so late in the season and a reason that he was cut from the Lions. Everything I read about him in Detroit was negative and indicated he was an overpaid bust up there who couldn't even crack the starting lineup in Detroit. Like I said, I don't see the practice tape so I can only trust the coaches. If he isn't in there I must believe it is because he does not make the team any better. If it is just a lateral move then you might as well keep Fabini and hope against hope that continuity will help make this line a little better in the coming weeks. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

10-29-2007, 04:28 PM	#8
skinsWill Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cow-pukes Country Age: 42 Posts: 191	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line I was having this discussion w/ Freddy last week and he made a very good point... DeMulling was on the street 3 weeks into the season... not a starting caliber guy. Any of you who have been redskins fans for a long time and know the coaching staff (even if you dont like the coaching staff now) KNOW that Joe Bugel is going to put his best 5 guys out there every week. Fabini is a liability but if DeMulling was better Buges would have put him in by now, same w/ Wade and Heyer. __________________ The views and opinions above do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of skinsWill or any of his affiliates. We do however acknowledge that he can be an ass and does likes to argue. Pomotional consideration paid for by the following...

10-29-2007, 04:32 PM	#9
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line When Wade got nicked up in the pack game, Buges went to Heyer--wonder if he'd have stayed with him against zona if Heyer didn't get hurt? I agree that DeMulling is not what we need, but I am curious. It's Wade that's been stinking up the joint, IMO. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-29-2007, 10:49 PM	#10
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Can't bring in a guy to different role right away and expect him to be an All Pro. The solution to our serious problem is simply to add quality depth at O line next season. We are only at the halfway point and to think we will be injury free from here on in is almost fantasy. Never have seen so many injuries on a Skins squad before or in the NFL in general.

10-29-2007, 10:58 PM	#11
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Is it me, or does anyone else think Wade is an emotionless player? I understand you don't typically see offensive lineman getting fired up on a regular basis. But when you hear interviews with guys like Thomas, Samuels, Rabach, and Kendall, it's pretty easy to tell they have a punch-you-in-the-mouth mean streak. Wade seems just kinda blah to me. And he doesn't seem too tough on the field either. Remember how relieved a bunch of us were when we resigned him in the offseason? Ugh. Not that we'd be better off without him, but he's sure as hell not killin' it for us. __________________ Tardy

10-29-2007, 10:52 PM	#12
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line But Wade has been getting WORSE out there (or is it just me?), when he should be getting more comfortable. And Jansen is getting older and has missed now 2 seasons of JG's second tenure. We need more than depth, most likely. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-29-2007, 11:13 PM	#13
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 58 Posts: 890	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line man all the people who were bitching about Jansen the last couple of years sure do miss him now huh? man how times have changed.

10-30-2007, 01:06 PM	#14
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Sack in zona game. At least one against NE. Have to go back and check, I guess. But Wade is NOT a great run blocker--that's actually what's weakest about, I thought. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-30-2007, 01:15 PM	#15
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 687	Re: Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line Regardless of whether Wade is the ideal back-up right now, we have to stick with him, otherwise we would be starting from scratch. O-lineman need time to develop chemistry, and replacing Wade with Heyer puts us back at square one, and I doubt that Heyer is so much better than Wade as to neutralize the learning curve (if he is even better at all). A little bit more time together, under Bugel's tutelage, and this patch job line will begin to at least be functional (as it has already shown the ability to be against lesser opponents). The next few games are very winnable as long as we don't make too many mistakes. So we weather the storm, then invite Randy T. back in December for the stretch run.

Is Wade the problem? Thinking about the O-line

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