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View Poll Results: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
Penalties 44 30.99%
Red zone play calling 41 28.87%
Defense giving up big plays 57 40.14%
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:10 AM   #16
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

The most obvious reason is that we're just not a good football team.

Why we aren't a good football team is more difficult to answer.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:15 AM   #17
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Cooley's false start directly cost us 4 points (ARE was open in the flat... great designed play) and Fletcher's interference led to 7pts (and confidence) in the 1st quarter. Not to mention the 3 illegal contact penalties that kept Eagles drives alive.
Dude Cooley's false start sucked big time for sure. BUT...WTF was the damn call for a draw play from that far out from the goal line!?? That call made me go nuts! Friggin Al Saunders i guarantee it!
JC was throwing good all day...why not give him a chance to go to Cooley or even a bootleg! I mean JC is NOT slow! DAMN!
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:18 AM   #18
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

Defense, which incorporates the stupid defensive penalties that extended Philly drives. The D had the 9-point lead to protect and went to sleep. I know injuries hurt, so to speak, but someone needed to step up. No one did, and now maybe Gregg should step down - or at least shut up.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:23 PM   #19
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

I agree with SGG, that there are a lot of reasons, and changing only one would have resulted in a win.

I do believe one reason is more right than the others, and it's got to be the big plays on the defense. For those to be touchdowns, multiple players had to have total breakdowns. That simply can't happen often to an NFL football team, and for us, it happened twice in the same quarter.

Goal line play calling? Yeah but...it's not like any other call guarantees success. Penalties? Yeah, but...that's part of the game. A good defense, especially one that plays it's safeties so far from everything should be able to prevent the big play, and we gave up two too many.

If your defense isn't going to try to play aggressive and force mistakes because as your coordinator reasons it, you have to prevent the big play at all costs, and then you give up not one but TWO huge plays in the same quarter, it's very obvious where the blame falls.

I'm tired of watching Gregg Williams drop 7-8 on every play and not cover the short routes. For him to give up any big plays this season playing that kind of coverage is completely inexcusable. This scheme sucks, and needs incredible talent to make it work.

It worked early because our DL was playing incredibly well, but now that it's only playing at it's talent level, we can't stop anybody anymore.

It's OK though. Next year, we won't draft any help on the Defensive Line and this BS will happen again.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:28 PM   #20
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

I don't think you can rely on defense to win games every week. The offense needs to win games when given the chance. The offense had the chance to win the game this week and just didn't do it.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:32 PM   #21
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I don't think you can rely on defense to win games every week. The offense needs to win games when given the chance. The offense had the chance to win the game this week and just didn't do it.
Ugh.

But you have to rely on both units to pull their weight. The offense missed pefection by a little bit yesterday down in the red zone twice, but the defense was awful all day.

I think you have to rely on your defense to not be total and utter crap every week, and in the event that it is, then you have to call a spade a spade, not make excuses for it, and move on.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:35 PM   #22
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

For anyone that still does not understand why I gave the Skins D a C grade last week please rewatch yesterday's game.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:39 PM   #23
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

All three played a factor, but I would argue that the penalties were the biggest reason. Penalties extended Philly's opening TD drive, and gave them new life right before the bomb to Reggie Brown for another TD. And all that before Cooley's gaffe - the biggest mistake of the game. You just can't false start inside the 10 yard line at home, yet the Skins manage to make mistakes like that repeatedly. That IS NOT coaching. Coaches had a perfect call before Cooley jumped. So we blame the playcalling for that? My only beef with Gibbs/Saunders was the draw on 3rd and 7. For the rest of this terrible loss, I put it squarely on the players making stupid penalties at crucial moments.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:46 PM   #24
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Ugh.

But you have to rely on both units to pull their weight. The offense missed pefection by a little bit yesterday down in the red zone twice, but the defense was awful all day.

I think you have to rely on your defense to not be total and utter crap every week, and in the event that it is, then you have to call a spade a spade, not make excuses for it, and move on.
The defense hasn't played like crap every week. The redskins defense has probably been one of the top defenses this year. Look at the entire league, for some reason (maybe - rules, offensive trends, whatever) there seems to have been more games dominated by offenses than by defenses compared to past seasons.

The defense have pulled their weight this season and won a few games on their own. The offense needs to do the same regardless of how the defense is playing. And I think the offense is far from perfect, especially at the end of games - when they tend to fall apart. I am always scared when the redskins are down (even by only one) at around 6 minutes to go- and it's not because of the defense.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:50 PM   #25
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The defense hasn't played like crap every week. The redskins defense has probably been one of the top defenses this year. Look at the entire league, for some reason (maybe - rules, offensive trends, whatever) there seems to have been more games dominated by offenses than by defenses compared to past seasons.

The defense have pulled their weight this season and won a few games on their own. The offense needs to do the same regardless of how the defense is playing. And I think the offense is far from perfect, especially at the end of games - when they tend to fall apart. I am always scared when the redskins are down (even by only one) at around 6 minutes to go- and it's not because of the defense.
The defense was pulling it's weight and we were winning.

The offense has pulled it's weight the last two games and we are losing. Why? Because the defense has fallen to well below average.

And yes, the passing games have dominated this season. Our's has not, and that is a problem. But on Sunday, it's hard to blame the offense for anything considering their overall performance.

Either credit the Eagles offense, or blame the Redskins defense, but those are the units that changed this game, not the Eagles defense or Redskins offense.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:51 PM   #26
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

And to me, it's harder to win games defensively (especially at the end of games) rather than winning it by the offense. You just have more control over the score on offense.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:54 PM   #27
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

I understand the defense did not play well yesterday, but bottomline - the offense had a chance to win the game and just didn't.

For a good confident offensive team, that's all you can ask for. The offense just isn't good or confident enough right now.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:55 PM   #28
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Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

we have NO F$$%^$# Heart!!!!
The Patriots showed us how to do it with a lead and we cant mimick that attitude.
We have had a lead in almost EVERY game at the half. NO KILLER INSTINCT!!!!
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:00 PM   #29
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And to me, it's harder to win games defensively (especially at the end of games) rather than winning it by the offense. You just have more control over the score on offense.
That's definitely true, but we put up 25 points on only 8 drives yesterday.

Point is, if a team loses a shootout, you still have to look at the defense for not stopping the other offense. Obviously in a loss, neither unit was perfect, but if one is close, and one is nowhere near close, which unit needs to be corrected first?
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:08 PM   #30
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That's definitely true, but we put up 25 points on only 8 drives yesterday.

Point is, if a team loses a shootout, you still have to look at the defense for not stopping the other offense. Obviously in a loss, neither unit was perfect, but if one is close, and one is nowhere near close, which unit needs to be corrected first?
I don't disagree that the defense didn't play well yesterday, but at some point, the offense needs to win the game without the luxury of the defense playing lights out. Even with the defense making several mistakes, they managed at least one big play (forced fumble) and kept the game within range.

Just look at the eyes of the offensive players at the end of the game - does that look like fire, hunger, and confidence in their eyes? The only player that may have that look is Portis right now.
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