Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Staylor2121

What I dont get is if they thought he wasnt home. Why would they go straight to his bedroom? Was they planing on attacking Jackie? Were they clearing the house and Sean scared them? Just doesnt make sense fucking scum balls should line up for a firing squad with Taylors family with guns. Eye for an Eye!!!!!!!!!!!!

They scoped out the house during Sean's party, apparently they were guests. They probably went straight towards the bedroom cause hey, isn't that where most people keep money/jewelry/expensive things in their house?

Sean and the intruders probably ran into each other, shooter got startled and pulled the trigger.

[Daseal]

THis was bad enough, but the last thing I want to see is more people getting guns. I enjoy shooting guns for fun, go to Blue Ridge Arsenal sometimes, but I don't think it's ever something I could have in my house.

(Talking about hand guns, not hunting rifles, etc)

[saden1]

At 17 he's no child. I'd imagine it's not too difficult to tell right from wrong at that age. Hopefully he'll be lucky enough to be someones bitch in the pen.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by saden1

At 17 he's no child. I'd imagine it's not too difficult to tell right from wrong at that age. Hopefully he'll be lucky enough to be someones bitch in the pen.

i can tell from this that you are a young man. no one at age 17 thinks the same way a mature 25 year old does. think about when you were that age. and your thought process. youth always thinks its never going to get caught, or never going to get hurt. and no, im not defending him. but at 17, he still is a kid

[munny]

Would you give up free speech to save one life?

Would you give up the right to vote to save one life?

I wouldn't, nor would I give up my second amendment rights.

Also, I might add that Taylor might also likely be alive had he simply installed an alarm system. When he returned to Miami the previous week, he could have had one put in that day. That might have been deterrent alone to keep these punks from trying it. A shame we will never know.

[Cowell]

Sadly, IF Sean had had a gun and shot those men he probably would have gotten into some sort of trouble even with out the earlier plea deal. That's the cold hard truth of this world we live, even if the person is a criminal and they invade your home, somehow shooting them makes you a criminal too.

As for the guy with the gun who shot Sean. In all honesty if you opened a door to see a 6'2 200+ pound guy standing there with a machete I think you would panic a bit, especially if you expected no one to be home. Obviously the man was startled because the first shot missed and the 2nd hit a place where if I had a gun I wouldn't shoot someone. I would aim for the chest or head if I was going to take the plunge. I really think that the kid didn't mean to shoot or kill Sean he was just scared. For the record I am still not defending these criminals they all deserve a good time in jail.

[That Guy]

more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by That Guy

more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.

I think those are the important words in that post. You're right, if you don't have the responsibility to handle a weapon responsibly and the intelligence to keep it away from children, do not own a gun. Period.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I think those are the important words in that post. You're right, if you don't have the responsibility to handle a weapon responsibly and the intelligence to keep it away from children, do not own a gun. Period.

For that matter, irresponsible people/children shouldn't be playing with a lot of things: guns, ovens, matches, gasoline, cars, ATVs, motorcycles, knives and probably a thousand other things.

No one is advocating that every breathing moron go arm himself to the teeth, and no one is saying we should add loaded handguns to a child's toybox.

I, for one, was taught from a very young age the four basic rules of firearm safety and they've stuck with me ever since.

Of course I also grew up in a stable household with rational parents...go figure.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by mheisig

For that matter, irresponsible people/children shouldn't be playing with a lot of things: guns, ovens, matches, gasoline, cars, ATVs, motorcycles, knives and probably a thousand other things.

No one is advocating that every breathing moron go arm himself to the teeth, and no one is saying we should add loaded handguns to a child's toybox.

I, for one, was taught from a very young age the four basic rules of firearm safety and they've stuck with me ever since.

Of course I also grew up in a stable household with rational parents...go figure.

That was exactly my point...

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

That was exactly my point...

I wasn't arguing with you, just expounding your excellent point.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by That Guy

more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.

It's to bad Taylor didn't have a gun under his bed rather than a machete, there's a good chance he would be alive today.

Criminals will always find a weopon, the innocent need to be able to defend, and protect themselves, as well as their families from this kind of vermin.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

It's to bad Taylor didn't have a gun under his bed rather than a machete, there's a good chance he would be alive today.

Criminals will always find a weopon, the innocent need to be able to defend, and protect themselves, as well as their families from this kind of vermin.

Well hold on here, the reason Sean did not have a gun is because it was against the terms of his plea deal in the earlier weapons case against him.

You could very easily make the argument that had he not misused a weapon at that time, that he would have had access to a weapon at the time he needed it most, for it what it was designed for.

As always, this is not to say Sean had it coming or any of that nonsense, it just goes to show you the cycle of not respecting firearms and what havoc they can wreak. Casually brandishing a weapon is something that's far too prevalent in our society and it isn't always hardcore criminals engaged in it. Sometimes it's decent people who made the mistake of reaching for a gun rather than using their brain (or even just their fists).

[flashalexb]

I say we hang these guys.

[jgalecpa]

Unfortunately, can't fry the shooter if he was under 17 when it took place, per the Supreme Court.

(It matters only the age at which it took place, not the age at sentencing.)

This got John Malvo off the fryer, if you remember.

My wife wondered if maybe the others agreed to say the 17 yr old did it for just that reason.


Don't know FL law about whether or not they have a 'triggerman statute' determining if only the triggerman can be given the Death penalty.

Almost certainly will be LWOP (Life Without Opportunity for Parole) case.

J-Dawg.