Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

skins009 · 08-09-2004, 11:51 PM

He did this against the third string D. Good point Matty with the Wuerfel thing. He's a backup at best.

bedlamVR · 08-10-2004, 02:11 AM

I think it is this indecisivness we started to see way back in the season opener against the Jets where he really strugled in the second half after fumbling following a sack which is why we gave up so much for Brunell. Ramsey has skills but he needs more than anything to belive in himself that has to be the key.

I rember some of the comments about TH when he came in here last year that TH cameinto the huddle two weeks after joining the team and really felt like he owned the team. He has the confidence to lead the team and make decisions and live with them which unfortunatly Ramsey at this point doesn't.

That Guy · 08-10-2004, 02:51 AM

tim has always been good, but last year when he started, it was a NOTICEABLE drop off from ramsey. His play against a 3rd string defense is meaningless. If gibbs starts him 1st string in one of the pre season games (which he might) and he can prove himself there, then such statements would seem better founded. What you saw is that tim is really a solid 2nd string QB stuck with a 3rd string job in washington. He is probably the best 3rd QB in the league, but that DOES NOT get him an invite into the pro bowl, or even on the field... he'll have to prove himself against real 1st stringers AND get on the field before I'd even bother thinking about his pro bowl aspirations.

dieselhog · 08-10-2004, 06:44 AM

This was the FIRST pre-season game.

Riggo44 · 08-10-2004, 09:54 PM

Save it!!

joethiesmanfan · 08-10-2004, 06:45 AM

I am beginning to wonder how musch of last year was Spurriers system and how much was Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball too long? How bout that bum Sean Taylor? Who is Gari Scott looks like one of the posse to me. Defense soft up the middle. O-line looked pretty good. Defense got penetration. I think we will be much improved. Hail to the Redskins, and yes Tim Hasselback was playing third stringers with and against third stringers but he outplayed Ramsey he looked horrible we should have gotten that first round pick, but atleast he got a couple years to unlearn what Spurrier taught him.

SUNRA · 08-10-2004, 09:04 AM

Ramsey has some technical difficulties that last year I attributed to Spurrier, that maybe I need to re-evaluate. Yes, he's been in training camp for one week. But he's been a QB for 2 seasons and still moves like a ice wagon and spends too much time deciding where to throw the ball. Fumbles, overthrown passes and the good 3 and out is reflective of last years season. If Ramsey and Brunell doesn't improve in there performances this saturday against Carolina, Hasselbeck will be asked to start in the next preseason against a first string team. I'm convinced this team must have a spirited leader in the QB position. Not just someone who has a rifle arm. What good is the arm if you're overthrowing the ball ?

Skins fan 44 · 08-10-2004, 09:27 AM

OK now we are at what if: If and when TH starts and proves that he can play a role of back up or starter, I could see us trading Ramsey for a tackle. As much as I hate to see Ramsey go I think we would have to fill the need and I dont think we could trade Brunell as easy as Ramsey. But hopefully we wont have to worry about Ramsey not playing well. It was the only the first pre-season game. We dont have to worry about it for a week or so.

bridaman51 · 08-10-2004, 10:28 AM

Say whatever you want he played decently last year, and played well again last night he should get a chance to start a preseason game with the starters against another teams starters to see what he can do. I am not saying he is a viable starter but you wont know until he plays with and against starters.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 10:40 AM

Hmmm... Sultan looked better than Portis last night. Does anyone want to bench Portis and start McCullough??

Ramsey and Brunell will both be fine. Some people are really jumping the gun here.

Hogskin · 08-10-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hmmm... Sultan looked better than Portis last night. Does anyone want to bench Portis and start McCullough??

Ramsey and Brunell will both be fine. Some people are really jumping the gun here.

LOL LOL

Well said, Matty. 100% on target!! TH is getting plenty of reps. Ramsey and Brunell WILL come around. And in the extremely unlikely scenario that they are unable to grasp the new system or get the rust off, TH is being taught, and will get a shot. That is a few weeks away, and several thousand miles from likely.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hogskin

LOL LOL

Well said, Matty. 100% on target!! TH is getting plenty of reps. Ramsey and Brunell WILL come around. And in the extremely unlikely scenario that they are unable to grasp the new system or get the rust off, TH is being taught, and will get a shot. That is a few weeks away, and several thousand miles from likely.

You know, Scott looked pretty damn good at WR too. Coles job could be in jeopardy!

memphisskin · 08-10-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You know, Scott looked pretty damn good at WR too. Coles job could be in jeopardy!

I'm also thinking Coleman over LaVar, he's already got more sacks than LA. And Killings should also get a chance at d-tackle.

bridaman51 · 08-10-2004, 10:48 AM

I am not jumping a gun, just pointing out that he has played well, he did well last year heck nearly half of our whoping 5 wins came under him. He has earned a atleast a honest look. I know in the end brunell and ramsey will be the guys, but it would be unfair in this "open" quarterback competition to not give hasselback his shot.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 10:50 AM

Who says Gibbs won't give TH a fair shot? Gibbs has had nothing but praise for TH so far.

I just don't think TH starting is realistic, but hey, that's just my opinion.

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08-10-2004, 09:27 AM	#8
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	OK now we are at what if: If and when TH starts and proves that he can play a role of back up or starter, I could see us trading Ramsey for a tackle. As much as I hate to see Ramsey go I think we would have to fill the need and I dont think we could trade Brunell as easy as Ramsey. But hopefully we wont have to worry about Ramsey not playing well. It was the only the first pre-season game. We dont have to worry about it for a week or so. __________________ HTTR!

08-10-2004, 10:40 AM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Hmmm... Sultan looked better than Portis last night. Does anyone want to bench Portis and start McCullough?? Ramsey and Brunell will both be fine. Some people are really jumping the gun here. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2004, 10:50 AM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Who says Gibbs won't give TH a fair shot? Gibbs has had nothing but praise for TH so far. I just don't think TH starting is realistic, but hey, that's just my opinion. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-09-2004, 11:51 PM	#1
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	He did this against the third string D. Good point Matty with the Wuerfel thing. He's a backup at best.

08-10-2004, 02:11 AM	#2
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	I think it is this indecisivness we started to see way back in the season opener against the Jets where he really strugled in the second half after fumbling following a sack which is why we gave up so much for Brunell. Ramsey has skills but he needs more than anything to belive in himself that has to be the key. I rember some of the comments about TH when he came in here last year that TH cameinto the huddle two weeks after joining the team and really felt like he owned the team. He has the confidence to lead the team and make decisions and live with them which unfortunatly Ramsey at this point doesn't.

08-10-2004, 02:51 AM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	tim has always been good, but last year when he started, it was a NOTICEABLE drop off from ramsey. His play against a 3rd string defense is meaningless. If gibbs starts him 1st string in one of the pre season games (which he might) and he can prove himself there, then such statements would seem better founded. What you saw is that tim is really a solid 2nd string QB stuck with a 3rd string job in washington. He is probably the best 3rd QB in the league, but that DOES NOT get him an invite into the pro bowl, or even on the field... he'll have to prove himself against real 1st stringers AND get on the field before I'd even bother thinking about his pro bowl aspirations.

08-10-2004, 06:44 AM	#4
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 53 Posts: 166	This was the FIRST pre-season game.

08-10-2004, 06:45 AM	#6
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	I am beginning to wonder how musch of last year was Spurriers system and how much was Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball too long? How bout that bum Sean Taylor? Who is Gari Scott looks like one of the posse to me. Defense soft up the middle. O-line looked pretty good. Defense got penetration. I think we will be much improved. Hail to the Redskins, and yes Tim Hasselback was playing third stringers with and against third stringers but he outplayed Ramsey he looked horrible we should have gotten that first round pick, but atleast he got a couple years to unlearn what Spurrier taught him.

08-10-2004, 09:04 AM	#7
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Ramsey has some technical difficulties that last year I attributed to Spurrier, that maybe I need to re-evaluate. Yes, he's been in training camp for one week. But he's been a QB for 2 seasons and still moves like a ice wagon and spends too much time deciding where to throw the ball. Fumbles, overthrown passes and the good 3 and out is reflective of last years season. If Ramsey and Brunell doesn't improve in there performances this saturday against Carolina, Hasselbeck will be asked to start in the next preseason against a first string team. I'm convinced this team must have a spirited leader in the QB position. Not just someone who has a rifle arm. What good is the arm if you're overthrowing the ball ?

08-10-2004, 10:28 AM	#9
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	Say whatever you want he played decently last year, and played well again last night he should get a chance to start a preseason game with the starters against another teams starters to see what he can do. I am not saying he is a viable starter but you wont know until he plays with and against starters.

08-10-2004, 10:48 AM	#14
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	I am not jumping a gun, just pointing out that he has played well, he did well last year heck nearly half of our whoping 5 wins came under him. He has earned a atleast a honest look. I know in the end brunell and ramsey will be the guys, but it would be unfair in this "open" quarterback competition to not give hasselback his shot.

Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

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