Contract Renegotiations have begun

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How does $20M - $7.6M = $16M?

I agree - should be $12.4M - I guess JLC tries to get his insider updated and sometimes doesn't double check what he writes. Plus the moves 3 moves he said add up to savings of $7.4 and not $7.6.

But fuzzy math aside at least the renegotiations have begun in earnest and the cap is being dealt with - I think the earlier this gets done the better as it will give us more flexibility to deal with draft picks, free agents and knowing the Skins FO trades.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How does $20M - $7.6M = $16M?

$20 million was the rough media estimate, but the actual number was closer to $23.

Doesn't matter. Once we factor in Cooley, we are talking 7-8 million over, and that's the figure that matters right now.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How does $20M - $7.6M = $16M?

He went to public schools and received a "B" for trying.

[redskins159]

I dont even really see how this team can be twenty million over the cap. If you look at our roster we do not really have many top tier players. Other than Samuels, Portis(may be on the down side of his career), and Cooley we dont have the huge house hold names like Peyton Manning, Brady, Tomlinson etc. We just keep paying decent and mediocre players like they are pro- bowlers. The fact that we have a higher base salary than teams like the Colts, Patriots, Chargers is laughable when you compare wins and losses over the past couple of seasons. In retrospect the Gianst are something like 20 million dollars under the cap and we are twenty over, so we pay our team 40 million dollars more than the team that just won the superbowl.... awesome!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by redskins159

I dont even really see how this team can be twenty million over the cap. If you look at our roster we do not really have many top tier players. Other than Samuels, Portis(may be on the down side of his career), and Cooley we dont have the huge house hold names like Peyton Manning, Brady, Tomlinson etc. We just keep paying decent and mediocre players like they are pro- bowlers. The fact that we have a higher base salary than teams like the Colts, Patriots, Chargers is laughable when you compare wins and losses over the past couple of seasons. In retrospect the Gianst are something like 20 million dollars under the cap and we are twenty over, so we pay our team 40 million dollars more than the team that just won the superbowl.... awesome!

very true & a point that's been made publicly by any no. of media peops, not to mention warpath posters!

I agree w/the capologists here that we won't be in "cap hell" as some like to say, but that doesn't get to the point of how the team acquires & pays players, which seems utterly inefficient w/regards to building a winning team. Last year's offseason was an improvement & I'm hoping for a repeat of that.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

very true & a point that's been made publicly by any no. of media peops, not to mention warpath posters!

I agree w/the capologists here that we won't be in "cap hell" as some like to say, but that doesn't get to the point of how the team acquires & pays players, which seems utterly inefficient w/regards to building a winning team. Last year's offseason was an improvement & I'm hoping for a repeat of that.

I agree. Go around the whole offensive roster and you'll see that almost everyone is getting paid big $. There aren't many role players.

Almost the same w/ the D w/ some exceptions like newcomers Doughty, Montgomery, Golston. Yes, that's GW side of the ball too.

What happens when we have to start releasing or cutting some of these high priced players like Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Lloyd, etc. Aren't we going to have to pay the piper at some point? That's what i'm a little worried about.

Can our warpath capologist answer that question?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I agree. Go around the whole offensive roster and you'll see that almost everyone is getting paid big $. There aren't many role players.

Almost the same w/ the D w/ some exceptions like newcomers Doughty, Montgomery, Golston. Yes, that's GW side of the ball too.

What happens when we have to start releasing or cutting some of these high priced players like Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Lloyd, etc. Aren't we going to have to pay the piper at some point? That's what i'm a little worried about.

Can our warpath capologist answer that question?

Well you start by not releasing these guys all at once.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well you start by not releasing these guys all at once.

Exactly! So my take on it is bye bye Brandon Llyod this offseason as priority #1. I would also have to say there is no way the Skins are paying Brunell to be a backup at $6.5 million - so he is probably gone too. So those are my 2 prime canidates that will be cut first at Redskins Park this year.
After next year I would say Philip Daniels is a prime canidate to get cut - especially if the Skins get lucky and draft a DE with one of their picks and that DE pans out. I would also think that sooner or later Griffin will probably get cut or restructure at the very least - especially since his release fee goes down in $2.5 M 2009.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well you start by not releasing these guys all at once.

My point wasn't for all of them to be released at once. My question is a logical question. We have alot of aging players that are going to have to be released or cut (most likely over the next 2-4 years). I only listed a few players but there are alot more.

What's the cap impact to release players that have been renogiated time and again? Is the cap impact minimal or substancial generally speaking?

Just trying to think ahead a little bit here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redsk1

What happens when we have to start releasing or cutting some of these high priced players like Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Lloyd, etc. Aren't we going to have to pay the piper at some point? That's what i'm a little worried about.

If all goes well, by 2009 we won't have a need for any of those guys.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins159

I dont even really see how this team can be twenty million over the cap. If you look at our roster we do not really have many top tier players. Other than Samuels, Portis(may be on the down side of his career), and Cooley we dont have the huge house hold names like Peyton Manning, Brady, Tomlinson etc. We just keep paying decent and mediocre players like they are pro- bowlers. The fact that we have a higher base salary than teams like the Colts, Patriots, Chargers is laughable when you compare wins and losses over the past couple of seasons. In retrospect the Gianst are something like 20 million dollars under the cap and we are twenty over, so we pay our team 40 million dollars more than the team that just won the superbowl.... awesome!

The simple answer is you pay guys like Lloyd and Archuleta as if they were Chad Johnson and Brian Dawkins.

[MTK]

just look at the cap sheets and look at the release fees it's not hard to figure out the cap implications down the road.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

just look at the cap sheets and look at the release fees it's not hard to figure out the cap implications down the road.

I think we all know that uninformed and emotion based opinions are far and away the most sound opinions out there. Surprised you didn't know that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think we all know that uninformed and emotion based opinions are far and away the most sound opinions out there. Surprised you didn't know that.

Yeah, god forbid we do some homework now and then, right?. LOL

Look, we do have some guys here that are very knowledgeable regarding the cap. But it's not that difficult folks. We have a great resource here with CC's cap sheets. They are very easy to figure out.

The answers are right here:

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah, god forbid we do some homework now and then, right?. LOL

Look, we do have some guys here that are very knowledgeable regarding the cap. But it's not that difficult folks. We have a great resource here with CC's cap sheets. They are very easy to figure out.

The answers are right here:

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

I actually went and looked at the sheets and started to write a response outlining why dropping Jansen wouldn't help our cap situation and simply gave up. I know we'll never get more than like 20 people around here to grasp the concepts. I guess I am a bad board member. I should feel more motivated to inform the uninformed.