Deangelo Hall For Punt Returner!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redskin37

Why can't Rock handle kickoff and punt returns?

Same question I had in post #9, see post #10 for the answer

[BDBohnzie]

I would imagine that Rock isn't returning punts because his burst of speed isn't within his first 3 or 4 steps when he's returning kickoffs. He needs those precious steps to get up to speed, where he has much more time to react. While I'm not adverse to him trying to return punts, it's a horse of a different color.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by irish

Anything would be an upgrade over ARE. He doesnt return punts well and isnt much of a WR. Now that I think of it, it seems that he doesnt do much of anything well except shuck & jive after one of his rare catches.

I agree that there's probably a better option at punt returner, but how do you figure that he's not much of a wide receiver? What kind of numbers are you expecting from him? He's got 37 catches, which is more than Plaxico Burress, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, and Bernard Berrian to name a few. He's a #2 receiver that's on pace for close to 60 catches, he's a solid route runner, and he's generally pretty sure handed. He's a fine option as a second receiver, and he's a damn good utility football player.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I agree that there's probably a better option at punt returner, but how do you figure that he's not much of a wide receiver? What kind of numbers are you expecting from him? He's got 37 catches, which is more than Plaxico Burress, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, and Bernard Berrian to name a few. He's a #2 receiver that's on pace for close to 60 catches, he's a solid route runner, and he's generally pretty sure handed. He's a fine option as a second receiver, and he's a damn good utility football player.

Good post. ARE has played very well in this offense. When JC has time, he often hits ARE for the long crossing route.

Also, he DID have a pass play on a reverse, but it broke down and he threw it away. Zorn is clearly trying to use that option in key moments.

[hooskins]

I still say Thrash, safe and runs North-South

[GMScud]

Did anyone see Leodis McKelvin's return last night for the Bills? Granted it was a kickoff not a punt, but a DB with blazing speed and a knack for big returns (I.E. D'angelo Hall) could provide a much needed spark. ARE has a bad ankle now, and has been totally ineffective in the return game when healthy. Throw Hall back there. Can't hurt to try.

[GTripp0012]

I agree Hall should be returning punts. So what if he gets hurt?

With that said, the biggest adjustments have to do with the fact that we do an unbelievably piss poor job setting up the punt return. We don't block ANYONE, and often still get called for holding. We use defensive starters like Rogers and Landry and that doesn't help.

This, of course, is something that every other team in the NFL can do with some consistency, and a big reason that we've gone from top ten to bottom five in special teams in only one year.

[firstdown]

El is around the average when you look at him and other with more than 20 or more returns this year. He is about 5 yards shorter then the best on that list that have over 20 or more so he is not the big issues right now on this team. Rock might have a hard time catching punts.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by firstdown

El is around the average when you look at him and other with more than 20 or more returns this year. He is about 5 yards shorter then the best on that list that have over 20 or more so he is not the big issues right now on this team. Rock might have a hard time catching punts.

That would be my biggest fear too. I'd rather let Tryon do it so he could at least earn some money (is he even normally activated or would they have to tell someone else not to dress if he became the PR?)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

That would be my biggest fear too. I'd rather let Tryon do it so he could at least earn some money (is he even normally activated or would they have to tell someone else not to dress if he became the PR?)

Every game Springs has missed this year, Tryon has been active for.

[djnemo65]

When was the last time El broke one for us? I only remember that one against the Colts in 2006. You can trot out his averages all you want but he is not a credible threat to take one to the house. He is not really anything more than adequate.

As for Hall, he is explosive, and given that he wasn't on the team last week I don't know how he can now be so important to us that he can't risk injury.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

When was the last time El broke one for us? I only remember that one against the Colts in 2006. You can trot out his averages all you want but he is not a credible threat to take one to the house. He is not really anything more than adequate.

As for Hall, he is explosive, and given that he wasn't on the team last week I don't know how he can now be so important to us that he can't risk injury.

That's AREs only PR TD as a Redskin. He has 6 in his career, but he's 28 years old now, I believe.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's AREs only PR TD as a Redskin. He has 6 in his career, but he's 28 years old now, I believe.

29 but close enough for warpath work.

ARE does to much shake and bake, east and west trying to make something there that isn't.

It would be nice to see him hit it straight up the pipe, the results couldn't be any worse. I have never been pleased with ARE's overall production in this role since we signed him.

Good #2/3 WR and can pull of a trick play as in his old QB fashion days (Throws a nice ball). Great team leader and all the things you expect out of a class act as ARE is. But when you see Moss get a shot just here and there and next thing you know he's in the endzone, it's night and day comparison. Thats also a dual edge blade. I cringe when a see our true #1 wideout back there with a big bullseye on his chest returning punts.

I say give Hall a shot once he's comfortable in the role.

[LOGAN]

We need Brian Mitchell to get out there and show Rock how to return punts. Antwaan Randle Fell is just absolutely horrid. Rock Cartwright should be our returner.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by LOGAN

We need Brian Mitchell to get out there and show Rock how to return punts. Antwaan Randle Fell is just absolutely horrid. Rock Cartwright should be our returner.

Without agreeing with you completely, let me just say that Antwan Randle Fell is freaking hilarious. Did you make that up? I haven't heard it.