Zorn has to take some blame

[The Goat]

In short, Zorn is overwhelmed. It's painfully obvious in his general game-management as well as his play-calling. I also believe the offense's utter lack of concentration and intensity, w/ the exceptions of CP and JC, is a strong if subtle indicator of Zorn's disconnect w/ them and the overall situation. The d typically plays above its talent for Blache IMO. The offense plays sloppy, stupid football because Zorn hasn't inspired them. I believe it remains to be seen whether Zorn can lead a team. On the one hand you've got offensive gurus like Norv and Al Saunders who are/would make very lousy HC's, and on the other you've got geniuses like Reid who are also great HC's.

My biggest hope for the Redskins at this point is Zorn's development as a leader.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Problem is that our core strength or reason we've been competitive the past 6 years will be gone. samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, moss, ARE, portis, fletcher, griffin, springs and maybe JC (with his K being up after next year) will most likely be replaced in 2 years.

You dont get guys like samuels, thomas, jansen, portis, moss, cooley so easily. we had our group at or close to their "peak" and didnt cash in. maybe we keep cooley but the other peices are going to need to be replaced before zorn makes any run. UNLESS SAMUELS, KENDALL, RABACH, THOMAS JANSEN/HEYER have a resurrgence while JC clicks in the final year. next year is our absolute last chance under the current core skins players.

I understand what you're saying but they'll be replaced here and there with picks or FA. Samuels isn't done he's just been injured. Heyer's not going anywhere and we'll probably resign Kendall. Rinehart should come along soon and we have some other young guys also. The rest will probably be phased out as we get other players.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

We have sufficient weapons. Portis, Cooley and several serviceable wideouts should get it done. What we need is some new blood on the offensive line.

[53Fan]

Nice SIG Sheriff!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We have sufficient weapons. Portis, Cooley and several serviceable wideouts should get it done. What we need is some new blood on the offensive line.

I still think we rely on Moss too much. That didn't hurt us in this game. But it's really hurt us in a bunch of other losses, and some winning efforts as well.

There are things you can do with Moss to create plays, and I want him on my team deep into the future, but 2005 was the last time we could build an offense around him.

Now, I think if the running game is working, a receiving core of Moss and Randle El is more than adequate. But as much as I like Portis and thought he was the MVP of the NFL in the first half, we've never been able to lean on him to produce for 16 games. We've just gone as he's gone on offense, which has put us on this sort of a roller coaster ride.

I'd really like to be a passing team, and I know we have the quarterback to do that, but the offensive line AND receivers are inadequate to do so. With the receivers, at least, the solutions may be in house. With the offensive line, I agree with you that even if Rinehart is a starter in the waiting, the rest of the solutions aren't in house.

[53Fan]

By the way Goat, Andy Reid was 5-11 his first year as head coach.

[Miller101]

I think Zorn is A FREAKIN IDIOT!!!!

How in the heck does Zorn not understand an outside blitz is coming on 3rd and long? I saw it! AND I DON'T GET PAID TO SEE IT COMING!!! How does he consistently let his quarterback get killed back there? How can you NOT throw someone else on the line next to...........................uhhhhh the side where the outside blitz is coming from this time? All you got to do is motion it! Every third and long OR whenever the opposing defense has to get pressure, they blitz the outside and GET IT EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Putting two guys to block three on that outside blitz doesn't work. You would think someone, WHO GETS PAID TO NOTICE THINGS, would have noticed that during the Steelers game. If not, During the Cowboys game? Heck, definetely during this one!

How do you let a back up center play left tackle? And THEN not give him help when he's blocking Terrell Suggs? That was a CRUCIAL CRUCIAL play! And you leave him out there to block one of the best pass rushers alone?????? WHAT A FREAKIN IDIOT!!!

Zorn! Don't become Steve Spurrier! Don't say crap like, "he needs to get the ball out quicker". Thats not working! And it won't work until you understand that pass protection is key! As a quarterback I thought you knew that............................what am I saying. Steve Spurrier was a quarterback and.....................Geez, you suck Zorn!

[hooskins]

I am sure Zorn is frustrated too, let's see if he gets his say in the draft. All the good teams in the league rely on good lines.

I am surprised our D is quite good with an average line. Imagine if we had some amazing pass rushers, it would be almost like Pitt's D.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We have sufficient weapons. Portis, Cooley and several serviceable wideouts should get it done. What we need is some new blood on the offensive line.

I agree, the weapons are good enough (they are not great though). Its hard to score when the line cant block anything. They are old and slow and really showed it last night. Until this team gets serious about building both lines (not just plugging holes with high priced free agents) it will never be a serious consistent contender.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Problem is Zorn doesn't usually take blame at his pressers. he comes off as arrogant at times.

Yeah, noticed that too, especially with George Michael and Sonny. There's a difference between arrogance and confidence.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Something just isn't right with the offense, obviously. Things have gone totally stale over the second half of the season. At least earlier in the year we could move the ball pretty well. Now we can't even do that consistently.

Of course Zorn has to shoulder some of the blame.

His protection schemes seem pretty piss poor to me right now and is a big part of the problem. I know people hated Gibbs' max protect stuff, but I'm longing for some of that right now and I'm sure JC is too.

And of course we all need to keep in mind Zorn is a rookie HC who's never been a coordinator and has never called plays at this level. He's very much a work in progress.

If that is the case, then why isn't Bugel in Zorns ear a little bit? Or maybe he has been. IDK. It just seems silly to have an Oline coach of that cailber and have your QB getting killed game in and game out.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by hagams

Could it be the they were trying to keep it simple in the first part of the season?

- You know, "Hey we all just got together and don't know the offense, so let's keep it simple".
- Mid-season, "All right, that didn't turn out too bad, let's kick it up a notch".
- Today, "Shit, who's idea was this"?

I don' know, things look pretty vanilla to me.

I'm still a Zorny, but I am growing increasingly frustrated with his refusal to compensate for the lack of protection Jason is getting. For all the talk of the west coast offense, I don't see a lot of short passes, particularly in running situations (which is what I thought the WCO was supposed to be predicated on).

It is clear that we have an inadequate line for the gameplan we are trying to execute. How many physical defenses have to manhandle us before we make some adjustments?

[SouperMeister]

Gibbs ALWAYS accepted responsibility publicly, which is why the team ALWAYS had his back when they struggled and absolutely had to win down the stretch. It would be nice to see Zorn accept some responsibility for this inept offense.

One small example where Zorn MUST accept responsibility - Samuels left with an injury, and Geisinger replaces him at left tackle. Samuels struggled with Suggs one-on-one, yet Zorn gave ZERO help to Geisinger on the first pass play that he was in, which resulted in another Suggs sack. That is a NO BRAINER - Gibbs certainly would have had a TE on that side to help Geisinger. Zorn's belief in his system when an adjustment was warranted reminded me of Spurrier's arrogance in his system as his QB took a beating.

[skins28]

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

I disagree that Campbell is the problem. If you've watched any Ravens games during their run, THEY PROTECT JOE FLACCO. Jason is taking a pounding the second half of this season that reminds me of Ramsey's beating when he was QB under Spurrier. I hear a lot of bitching about Jason not hitting anything downfield. Well we tried on the first posession, and Campbell's arm got hit by Suggs, resulting in the first INT. When our O-line depth consists of undrafted FAs like Geisinger and Heyer, is it any wonder why we struggle? Drafting a #3 TE in the second round was a luxury we didn't need as demonstrated by the lack of quality depth on the O-line.