2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I posted a response but it has been covered already so i modified... suffice to say, if we lose to the 49ers Sunday, we basically get two easy wins next year. If we win, its almost assured we get two losses (atleast based on how the opponents played this year... anything can happen in the NFL so the Lions could be the best team in the NFL next year... lol, nevermind thats just too crazy!)

At this time last year I would have welcomed facing the Falcons and Dolphins in '08. Two easy wins.
An offseason can change a lot.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by rypper11

At this time last year I would have welcomed facing the Falcons and Dolphins in '08. Two easy wins.
An offseason can change a lot.

It can change a lot, but the Lions and Rams happen to be two of the worst teams ever.

Where as the Dolphins and Falcons last year were merely bad. Dolphins because of a ton of injurys, and the Falcons were playing with dead-weight vets and no quarterback.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

With our cap situtation, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a few spots lower, considering the talent level is roughly the same?

I mean, obviously, if it was a huge issue, we could just skip over a few picks and have a lower slot. But, you know, lots of discussion about the difference between pick 14-18.

See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.

Oh... GTripp, I totally agree about the difference between playing Packers & Seahawks or playing Lions & Rams. GB & Sea were deep in playoffs last year, StL & Det aren't really close right now.... they are MUCH better targets.

and Beemnseven... thanks a lot for the comments. I like when I can have something to root for in other games so that Sundays are even more entertaining. Plus, I REALLY was wondering how much Sundays results could effect us for the draft & next season!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.

Oh... GTripp, I totally agree about the difference between playing Packers & Seahawks or playing Lions & Rams. GB & Sea were deep in playoffs last year, StL & Det aren't really close right now.... they are MUCH better targets.

and Beemnseven... thanks a lot for the comments. I like when I can have something to root for in other games so that Sundays are even more entertaining. Plus, I REALLY was wondering how much Sundays results could effect us for the draft & next season!

No there's not. There's no material difference when it comes to cap impact of drafting 13th compared to 18th. It's not something you'd worry about.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.

What Schneed said. It's not a make or break type thing, but it's enough, IMO, to make it a wash whether we pick 13th or 18th. All the unianimously top talents will be gone, and we'll probably still be able to grab one of the best players on our board at any of those slots, assuming we don't trade back (in which case, it might make the big difference).

It's something to keep an eye on. Vinny will try to trade away the pick for veteran talent three separate times, giving us all heartattacks, before the pick is used anyway.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I also read somewhere that if we lose and finish last in the division, we get to play the Lions on the road and the Seahawks at home next year. If we win, we have to play two much tougher opponents - cant remember who they were, but it was something like Colts at Home, Steelers on the road...
it made me kinda hope we lose, so we have an easier schedule next year.

shouldn't be the Steelers. We'll probably play the COlts next year, but you only play one division cross-conference each year.

[CanadianSkin]

All this talk about us losing and getting to play "Easy" teams?? I do not get it.. I seem to remember we lost to the Rams this year and we also lost to the Bengals who only had three wins. So do we really want to play the easy teams, as we seem to have a habit of playing down to their level?

Whatever happens happens, but I will never cheer for the Skins to lose.

Also if we had beaten those two bad teams,, guess who would be going to the playoffs this year...

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Could'nt of said it better myself! Win and let the pieces fall where they may. I'm not trying to back into anything. HAIL REDSKINS!!!

Screw that( cheering the Skins to lose)!!!!!!!! 9-7 isn't to hot, but it is a marked improvement to last season and will show the folks that keeping Zorn around was warranted. He still needs to do some massive tinkering with his WCO setup though to have a successful '09.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No there's not. There's no material difference when it comes to cap impact of drafting 13th compared to 18th. It's not something you'd worry about.

Schneedy is right. First rounder is going to cost you some $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, no matter if he is 1st or 32nd. THere will be a difference of course, but you are still going to shell out a big wad of dough for a guy with that first rounder tag on him. You know those agents are going in for the kill then.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Screw that( cheering the Skins to lose)!!!!!!!! 9-7 isn't to hot, but it is a marked improvement to last season and will show the folks that keeping Zorn around was warranted. He still needs to do some massive tinkering with his WCO setup though to have a successful '09.

wtf are you talking about? we finished 9-7 last yr,hows this a marked improvement?

[Sonny9TD]

Superb thread.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by MrJL

shouldn't be the Steelers. We'll probably play the COlts next year, but you only play one division cross-conference each year.

Football 101 people. Each team plays 4 games from the opposite conference per year, all in the same division. We play the AFC West next year. We played the AFC South in 2006. We play that division again in 2010.

[RedskinMike]

two easy wins? if you recall we lost to the rams and barely beat detroit.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CanadianSkin

All this talk about us losing and getting to play "Easy" teams?? I do not get it.. I seem to remember we lost to the Rams this year and we also lost to the Bengals who only had three wins. So do we really want to play the easy teams, as we seem to have a habit of playing down to their level?

Whatever happens happens, but I will never cheer for the Skins to lose.

Also if we had beaten those two bad teams,, guess who would be going to the playoffs this year...

Not to mention the parity in the NFL... See teams like the Dolphins and Falcons. You just never know who is going to drastically improve from one season to the next. This business of rooting for the Skins to lose so we can speculate on possibly having a stronger schedule is flat out stupid IMO.