Sometimes Its Who You Keep Not Who You Sign

[redsk1]

It's not just letting Ryan Clark go. Those mistakes happen from time to time w/ every team, well most teams.

It's then replacing him w/ AA. That's the kick in the a**. I said it before, but whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. VC made that decision by the way per VC.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's not just letting Ryan Clark go. Those mistakes happen from time to time w/ every team, well most teams.

It's then replacing him w/ AA. That's the kick in the a**. I said it before, but whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. VC made that decision by the way per VC.

VC is taking the bullets for Greg Williams. This was a Greg Williams decision all the way. I really get sick of hearing everyone dump on the FO for Lloyd, ARE & Arch. These were bad signings, pushed by Al Saunders, and Greg Williams. Gibbs as a manager was giving his assistants the tools they supposedly needed. These signings went south and Saunders and Williams are gone. WTF else does anyone want.

Saunders and Williams had Gibbs' support and neither DS or VC was going to go counter to Gibbs' wishes. Had they done that, they hysteria here would've been more over the top than it already is sometimes.

When Gibbs left the big questions was, why didn't GW get the job? The Arch thing and personality conflicts with the FO were probably the major reason. Hindsight on that looks pretty good now IMO, how about some props to the FO for getting that one right.

Bottom line is we have the correct structure in place. Zorn has input as every coach should, but the bottom line in player selection falls squarely on VCs. We can't fully evaluate Thomas, Kelly, Davis, their progression in 2009 will be key though. Tyron, Brooks, probably bad, but they were 4/5 rounders and many get cut across all NFL teams. We needed a punter and the #1 punter coming out of college wasn't a bad pick, he just didn't make the transition. Colt Brennan is the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady in waiting (SARCASM ALERT) and I'd say Horton was a pretty good pick. We didn't break the bank in FA, and the Taylor signing was a 1 year rental that didn't pan out. It was a risk taken under duress anyway. No way we could've addressed all our needs in one draft, and when we picked Thomas the players targeted on the DL were already taken. The Davis pick is still a bit of a head-scratcher, IMO there were still solid players on the DL, CB and OL available, but I'm willing to leave the jury out on that one until 2009/2010.

Let's not under-estimate the severity of the blow losing ST was either. He was signed to a reasonable contract and was arguably a top 5 defensive player in the league. He's taken away with zero compensation....that's a huge void to fill in so many ways. Can we have just a small bit of patience and see what happens this off-season. If we can fill a few holes there's no reason we can't be a contender in 2009, and in 2008 were still in the chase for the playoffs going into Week 16.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

VC is taking the bullets for Greg Williams. This was a Greg Williams decision all the way. I really get sick of hearing everyone dump on the FO for Lloyd, ARE & Arch. These were bad signings, pushed by Al Saunders, and Greg Williams. Gibbs as a manager was giving his assistants the tools they supposedly needed. These signings went south and Saunders and Williams are gone. WTF else does anyone want.

Saunders and Williams had Gibbs' support and neither DS or VC was going to go counter to Gibbs' wishes. Had they done that, they hysteria here would've been more over the top than it already is sometimes.

When Gibbs left the big questions was, why didn't GW get the job? The Arch thing and personality conflicts with the FO were probably the major reason. Hindsight on that looks pretty good now IMO, how about some props to the FO for getting that one right.

Bottom line is we have the correct structure in place. Zorn has input as every coach should, but the bottom line in player selection falls squarely on VCs. We can't fully evaluate Thomas, Kelly, Davis, their progression in 2009 will be key though. Tyron, Brooks, probably bad, but they were 4/5 rounders and many get cut across all NFL teams. We needed a punter and the #1 punter coming out of college wasn't a bad pick, he just didn't make the transition. Colt Brennan is the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady in waiting (SARCASM ALERT) and I'd say Horton was a pretty good pick. We didn't break the bank in FA, and the Taylor signing was a 1 year rental that didn't pan out. It was a risk taken under duress anyway. No way we could've addressed all our needs in one draft, and when we picked Thomas the players targeted on the DL were already taken. The Davis pick is still a bit of a head-scratcher, IMO there were still solid players on the DL, CB and OL available, but I'm willing to leave the jury out on that one until 2009/2010.

Let's not under-estimate the severity of the blow losing ST was either. He was signed to a reasonable contract and was arguably a top 5 defensive player in the league. He's taken away with zero compensation....that's a huge void to fill in so many ways. Can we have just a small bit of patience and see what happens this off-season. If we can fill a few holes there's no reason we can't be a contender in 2009, and in 2008 were still in the chase for the playoffs going into Week 16.

I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.

It was a great group of people with everyone getting people they wanted: Gibbs-Brunell, Saunders-Llloyd, Blache-Carter, Bugel-Kendall, Williams-Archuleta. But interestingly enough, Cerrato never really made a huge push for anyone. But it's a new era now, let's see how things turn out.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.

If you look back a page, I did exactly that. As for the current roster, I put about 90% of that on Gibbs. He came in with a 3 year plan and left with a 4 year rebuilding project without the trophy to justify it. The further we get from JG 2.0 the less favorably I view his 2nd stint.

[horny4zorny-nohomo]

am i the only one that thinks jason taylor is bad luck

@ the dolphins 1-15

redskinz he got hurt, and only 3.5 sacks even though the previous year he had over 15...
and we were 8-8 after a 6-2 start with a rookie coach.. if we get him back i hope he gets 3x as much sacks!

[mvb2328]

Originally Posted by horny4zorny-nohomo

am i the only one that thinks jason taylor is bad luck

@ the dolphins 1-15

redskinz he got hurt, and only 3.5 sacks even though the previous year he had over 15...
and we were 8-8 after a 6-2 start with a rookie coach.. if we get him back i hope he gets 3x as much sacks!

if taylor comes back he will have atleast 10 sacks next year. there is no way he has another fluke injury like he did this year. taylor played well late in the year when he was healthy and used to playing in the 4-3 d.

[Trample the Elderly]

I'm tired of seeing other teams win with guys we drafted or let go. It's just sad.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'm tired of seeing other teams win with guys we drafted or let go. It's just sad.

That happens to every team in the league, I mean look at Randy Moss, sucked in Oakland, did a helluva job in New England. Hall sucked in Oakland, did a good job for us. (And come to think of it, it could be way worst...we could be Oakland)

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

That happens to every team in the league, I mean look at Randy Moss, sucked in Oakland, did a helluva job in New England. Hall sucked in Oakland, did a good job for us. (And come to think of it, it could be way worst...we could be Oakland)

Alright, I'll go with that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by horny4zorny-nohomo

am i the only one that thinks jason taylor is bad luck

@ the dolphins 1-15

redskinz he got hurt, and only 3.5 sacks even though the previous year he had over 15...
and we were 8-8 after a 6-2 start with a rookie coach.. if we get him back i hope he gets 3x as much sacks!

I think Taylor has bad luck in general. He goes from having a good season in a bad team to getting that calf injury that turned out to be more serious than it looked.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by horny4zorny-nohomo

am i the only one that thinks jason taylor is bad luck

@ the dolphins 1-15

redskinz he got hurt, and only 3.5 sacks even though the previous year he had over 15...
and we were 8-8 after a 6-2 start with a rookie coach.. if we get him back i hope he gets 3x as much sacks!

Isn't this the second time youve mentioned that? Was he bad luck in his 7winning seasons with the Dolphins with 5 playoff appearances? And where did you get over 15 sacks from?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Isn't this the second time youve mentioned that? Was he bad luck in his 7winning seasons with the Dolphins with 5 playoff appearances? And where did you get over 15 sacks from?

Good observation SS, Taylor had 11 sacks his previous year.

[warriorzpath]

I think Ryan Clark has improved considerably since leaving the redskins. That's not the same hard-hitting player in Pittsburgh that was playing in Washington.

I am wondering how did he improved so much. Remember the game with the chargers back in 2005, one of Clark's last games as a redskins.. Ryan Clark - UPI.com

I think this was fresh in the redskins coaches' and fo's minds when they let him go. Who'd have known he would get this much better.

[warriorzpath]

I think if ryan clark was still with the redskins - he wouldn't be the player he is now. Just a feeling. What does this say (about the redskins)?... I don't exactly know.