RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker

BigHairedAristocrat · 05-01-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I trust the coaches wouldn't put him at LB if they didn't think he was capable. We'll see how it goes.

I admire your optomism, but Blache horribly mis-used Jason Taylor last year. Granted, alot of that was due to injury, but still...

dmek25 · 05-01-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I admire your optomism, but Blache horribly mis-used Jason Taylor last year. Granted, alot of that was due to injury, but still...

i definitely disagree with this. i was at both the giants and cowboys games, and Blache put Taylor all over the field, trying to get him in the best position to make plays. he just didnt execute

CRedskinsRule · 05-01-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i definitely disagree with this. i was at both the giants and cowboys games, and Blache put Taylor all over the field, trying to get him in the best position to make plays. he just didnt execute

Yeah, I tend to agree with this, I really watched Taylor a lot because I saw him at the HOF and man, in person he just looked like a rock. But after he got hurt, he just never got the execution that I know I was looking to see. Every game I watched he got pushed by the o-lines alot. I just hope that Orakpo really becomes a stud!

Beemnseven · 05-01-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i definitely disagree with this. i was at both the giants and cowboys games, and Blache put Taylor all over the field, trying to get him in the best position to make plays. he just didnt execute

Yeah, I remember some sets in which there were just three down linemen, while Taylor was up and about, shifting in different places just before the snap. Too bad he couldn't do more of that.

I don't care where Orakpo lines up as long as he wreaks some havoc.

tryfuhl · 05-01-2009, 02:53 PM

Interesting; we seem to expect our players to switch positions quite frequently.

mauiRedskinbarn · 05-01-2009, 03:15 PM

Blache likes to run some tricky schemes. Whatever blache wants to do with this amazing athlete let him do. The lb spot is probobly the spot that they want rak to be efficiant at when he is there. where he needs the most improvement

CRedskinsRule · 05-01-2009, 03:12 PM

It seems to me that when coaches are evaluating how to use a player they would put him in all the positions he might be asked to play, and further, I would imagine they have a belief DE will be less of a problem.

JWsleep · 05-01-2009, 03:18 PM

This is to begin to teach him what to do at LB in this system. My guess is that's much more complicated than rushing the QB from the edge. That's what mini-camp is for.

Ruhskins · 05-01-2009, 03:26 PM

As soon as I saw this I knew people were going to blow this out of proportion. Why is everyone so fixed on Vernon Gholston's failure, when you have both Shawne Merriman and Terrell Suggs as examples of DEs (in college) that made successful transitions to LBs? I'm not saying that Orakpo is going to be a LB, but just as you bring negative examples, there are positive examples of successful transition. Besides, when Greg Blache or Jim Zorn say the words "Orakpo will be a full time LB" stop speculating so much.

SouperMeister · 05-01-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

As soon as I saw this I knew people were going to blow this out of proportion. Why is everyone so fixed on Vernon Gholston's failure, when you have both Shawne Merriman and Terrell Suggs as examples of DEs (in college) that made successful transitions to LBs? I'm not saying that Orakpo is going to be a LB, but just as you bring negative examples, there are positive examples of successful transition. Besides, when Greg Blache or Jim Zorn say the words "Orakpo will be a full time LB" stop speculating so much.

Merriman and Suggs are poor examples since they are largely pass rushing 3-4 linebackers in the pros. Asking Orakpo to play LB in a 4-3 is a far more difficult transition. Hopefully his hand will be in the dirt on 3rd and long passing situations.

skins89moss · 05-03-2009, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Merriman and Suggs are poor examples since they are largely pass rushing 3-4 linebackers in the pros. Asking Orakpo to play LB in a 4-3 is a far more difficult transition. Hopefully his hand will be in the dirt on 3rd and long passing situations.

T. Suggs was a DE at ASU which ran a 4-3 defense. He dropped in the draft do to his 40 time was slower than scouts expected. He has made a great transtion to the 3-4. You aree right i think the use Suggs more to rush the QB.

skins89moss · 05-03-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Merriman and Suggs are poor examples since they are largely pass rushing 3-4 linebackers in the pros. Asking Orakpo to play LB in a 4-3 is a far more difficult transition. Hopefully his hand will be in the dirt on 3rd and long passing situations.

T. Suggs was a DE at ASU which ran a 4-3 defense. He dropped in the draft do to his 40 time was slower than scouts expected. He has made a great transtion to the 3-4. You aree right i think the use Suggs more to rush the QB.

Pocket$ $traight · 05-02-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

As soon as I saw this I knew people were going to blow this out of proportion. Why is everyone so fixed on Vernon Gholston's failure, when you have both Shawne Merriman and Terrell Suggs as examples of DEs (in college) that made successful transitions to LBs? I'm not saying that Orakpo is going to be a LB, but just as you bring negative examples, there are positive examples of successful transition. Besides, when Greg Blache or Jim Zorn say the words "Orakpo will be a full time LB" stop speculating so much.

I like how Gholston's career is over after one year. I seem to remember people saying that Mario Williams was a bust. Now he is considered a prototype.

I will defer to Greg Blache who might know a little more about defense over the people who automatically dismiss using Orakpo in more than one position.

Didn't they openly say throughout the draft process that they were so high on him because they could use him at linebacker some? If he was a one trick pony, they wouldn't have drafted him.

MTK · 05-01-2009, 03:51 PM

Blache didn't even want JT in the first place.

Daseal · 05-01-2009, 04:09 PM

Ruhskins -- You brought up some examples of DEs in college that made a successful transition to LB. However, name one player that has made the transition from 4-3 DE in college to a 4-3 LB in the NFL. Bet you don't find (m)any worth a damn.

05-01-2009, 02:53 PM	#5
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker Interesting; we seem to expect our players to switch positions quite frequently.

05-01-2009, 03:15 PM	#6
mauiRedskinbarn Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hawaii Posts: 60	Re: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker Blache likes to run some tricky schemes. Whatever blache wants to do with this amazing athlete let him do. The lb spot is probobly the spot that they want rak to be efficiant at when he is there. where he needs the most improvement __________________ "The heart of the D, the soul of the squad, noone in the NFL could hit half as hard"

05-01-2009, 03:12 PM	#7
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,698	Re: RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker It seems to me that when coaches are evaluating how to use a player they would put him in all the positions he might be asked to play, and further, I would imagine they have a belief DE will be less of a problem.

05-01-2009, 03:18 PM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker This is to begin to teach him what to do at LB in this system. My guess is that's much more complicated than rushing the QB from the edge. That's what mini-camp is for. __________________ Hail from Houston!

05-01-2009, 03:26 PM	#9
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker As soon as I saw this I knew people were going to blow this out of proportion. Why is everyone so fixed on Vernon Gholston's failure, when you have both Shawne Merriman and Terrell Suggs as examples of DEs (in college) that made successful transitions to LBs? I'm not saying that Orakpo is going to be a LB, but just as you bring negative examples, there are positive examples of successful transition. Besides, when Greg Blache or Jim Zorn say the words "Orakpo will be a full time LB" stop speculating so much. __________________ R.I.P. #21

05-01-2009, 03:51 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker Blache didn't even want JT in the first place. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-01-2009, 04:09 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: RI: Orakpo Starts Out at Linebacker Ruhskins -- You brought up some examples of DEs in college that made a successful transition to LB. However, name one player that has made the transition from 4-3 DE in college to a 4-3 LB in the NFL. Bet you don't find (m)any worth a damn. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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