anyone care what francesa says

redskins1974 · 09-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Never said they were ignorant comments, just that he's better when he talks NY sports, that's the market he's in and that's the market he's most focused on. Don't twist what I said to fit your thinking.

But if you want to dive into his comments, is calling a coach "dumb" some sort of brilliant or insightful analysis? He sounds like your typical fan who forms an opinion based on 10 second highlight clips from SportsCenter.

I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.

CRedskinsRule · 09-24-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by redskins1974

I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.

I wanted a JC bootleg too, but after the game we found out that he had a bad ankle, so I am guessing they didn't want to aggravate it further.

I still would have liked to see a heavy jumbo set with Mike Williams, as an extra tackle. and just push the line forward, having Sellers lead the way for CP

SmootSmack · 09-24-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by redskins1974

I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.

Well it's been covered that the 4th down failed run was because of a mistake by one of the players on the field who took a different blocking angle and pushed the play to the outside instead of straight ahead

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-24-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by redskins1974

Matty, like i told you in the offseason, nothing has changed with the offense.
Believe me, I would have rather been wrong. This sucks.

yeah we scored 2 TD in NY game, by the FG holder and when NY already won the game and was playing Prevent D late in the 4th Qtr.

But I know everyone will come up with excuses....its early, blah blah blah.

2 games, offense has struggled a bit, but we're 1-1. Let's can the season, 4-12 here we come. If we suck so bad, go root for the Jets.

This isn't directed at you personally, '74 but I'm so sick of all the negativity from "fans". I guess this is just a culmination of reading/seeing/hearing the crap in the media the past two weeks. Life is pretty damn tough as it is, sports is a refuge from the world for a few hours a week. If you can't at least have a somewhat optimistic view of the team you're a fan of then whats the point?

Maybe if we're at a little past mid-season and we're still having these problems, I can understand....but it's Game 2, we WON.

Lotus · 09-24-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

2 games, offense has struggled a bit, but we're 1-1. Let's can the season, 4-12 here we come. If we suck so bad, go root for the Jets.

This isn't directed at you personally, '74 but I'm so sick of all the negativity from "fans". I guess this is just a culmination of reading/seeing/hearing the crap in the media the past two weeks. Life is pretty damn tough as it is, sports is a refuge from the world for a few hours a week. If you can't at least have a somewhat optimistic view of the team you're a fan of then whats the point?

Maybe if we're at a little past mid-season and we're still having these problems, I can understand....but it's Game 2, we WON.

This is sensible and intelligent. Anyone feel like listening?

CRedskinsRule · 09-24-2009, 10:44 AM

but why think outside the box at that juncture. You really don't want anything to blow up on you, you want to run a conservative play. Zorn in the one video, clearly says he is going for the firstdown to win, not the score to pad the lead.

I understand the criticism, but with all the additional footage, and information we have, I think his call was more understandable.

SBXVII · 09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

but why think outside the box at that juncture. You really don't want anything to blow up on you, you want to run a conservative play. Zorn in the one video, clearly says he is going for the firstdown to win, not the score to pad the lead.

I understand the criticism, but with all the additional footage, and information we have, I think his call was more understandable.

I'm not faulting him for going to it on 4th down. I'm glad we have a HC that has the balls to do that. As someone else pointed out on the board, as a HC you have to be able to get a feel for the game. You have to feel if the momentum is changing. They tried run 3 times and on one of those they actually lost yardage. At some point he should have put the play sheet aside that tells him that on 4th and a yrd or two run the ball and instead decided on a decent pass play and sent it in. Just cause Thomas dropped his pass and Sellers dropped his pass doesn't mean a second time around they will drop the pass again or better yet go to Cooley, or how about sending in Mitchell a long with Kelly.

I think he did the right thing by going for it just wish he would have picked a different play. I know hinde site is 20/20 but if you looked at the 4 times we were down in the red zone Zorn tried run 3 times more then pass.

A detailed look at play calling in the Red Zone - EXTREMESKINS.com

Trample the Elderly · 09-24-2009, 10:51 AM

Who?

celts32 · 09-24-2009, 12:58 PM

I live in the area so I have heard francesa a lot. He mostly knows baseball and that's what they talk about for most of the year. That show is the reason I had to buy Sirius Satelite radio. As for his Redskins opinions...they were just that...I don't think he was claiming to have any sources linking Gruden to the Redskins...it was just his opinion which means as much as any of ours.

For the record I share the opinion...if Zorn goes I would like Gruden to coach the skins. I think he's young still and could be long for the job whereas most of the other big names available are older and may just be looking for a swan song payday.

GTripp0012 · 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM

I agree. If Zorn has to go, Jon Gruden would be my No. 1 choice.

irish · 09-24-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree. If Zorn has to go, Jon Gruden would be my No. 1 choice.