Disjointed Coaching Structure

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

Holmgren would be ideal as Redskins' long-awaited GM

Les Carpenter - Mike Holmgren Advises Redskins to Be Patient With Jim Zorn's Development of Jason Campbell - washingtonpost.com

D.C. Sports Bog - Holmgren on Zorn and Zorn's Bike

Maybe we can kill two bird with one stone, continuity & experience?

Holmgren would be my choice for GM by a wide margin. People keep saying get rid of Zorn, Id say Vinny gotta go first.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Holmgren would be my choice for GM by a wide margin. People keep saying get rid of Zorn, Id say Vinny gotta go first.

Thank You. The only good thing about this disaster is that it holds out the possibility of getting rid of the incompetent Vinny Cerratto. During his tenure we've fired Norv, hired Marty and fired Vinny, fired Marty and re-hired Vinny (after an 8-3 finish what else could we do but bring back Vinny), fired Spurrier, driven Gibbs back to racing, and will apparently fire Jim Zorn soon. All those guys have been successful at other places so maybe it's time to hold someone else accountable.

Snyderatto has created a climate at Redskins Park that is undisciplined and unworkable. It is time for Snyder to remove himself from the building, tend to other interests, and allow a competent (ready SS?) football person to have complete control. Just listen to Cerrato's radio show and tell me that he's not as dumb as they day is long. It's embarrassing.

If they fire Zorn and Vinny keeps his job nothing will change.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

They brought in a GM though the same year as new head coach. Also the GM and head coach have a previous history working alongside each other.

Parcells and Sparano have some working history so Parcells is facilitating Sparano with any hirings.

Needless to say Cerrato hiring coaches for Zorn is way off because Cerrato has never coached before and neither had Zorn...lol. It's hard to even conceive all that going on and having faith in it...insane.

Not to digress but Sparano just has me thinking how strong that coaching unit back in 2001 was, or better said how prevalent they are today

Tony Sparano: Head Coach Dolphins
Brian Schottenheimer: OC Jets
Pete Carmichael: OC Saints
Hue Jackson: QB Coach Ravens
Greg Manusky: DC Niners
Mike Trgovac: D Line Coach Packers (just last year was DC for the Panthers)
Jimmy Raye: OC Niners

Bring back Marty!

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not to digress but Sparano just has me thinking how strong that coaching unit back in 2001 was, or better said how prevalent they are today

Tony Sparano: Head Coach Dolphins
Brian Schottenheimer: OC Jets
Pete Carmichael: OC Saints
Hue Jackson: QB Coach Ravens
Greg Manusky: DC Niners
Mike Trgovac: D Line Coach Packers (just last year was DC for the Panthers)
Jimmy Raye: OC Niners

Bring back Marty!

Seriously...

That's a great idea...If Marty Schott is appointed our GM then we'd know for a FACT that Cerrato would be gone and Snyder wouldn't be influencing our roster.

Schott may be our only hope into knowing for a fact that Snyder's influence on our roster is eliminated.

MARTY FOR PRESIDENT!

[tryfuhl]

I don't think that Smith ever worked with Zorn in Seattle unless you mean played for a check. He was with the Oilers/Titans the whole way through until here right?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I don't think that Smith ever worked with Zorn in Seattle unless you mean played for a check. He was with the Oilers/Titans the whole way through until here right?

Redskins.com
"Prior to joining the Redskins, Smith spent 13 seasons as running backs coach with the Tennessee Titans (1995-2007). He also held the title of assistant head coach the last two seasons."

You're right. I took the Seattle part from it and attributed it to Zorn because of their previous playing relation.

He did come from the Titans as a RB coach but was still brought in through Zorn.

[JWsleep]

I don't know about all this--are other staffs less "disjointed" in the sense of the first post?

Hard to know if this matters except by comparison to successful staffs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I don't know about all this--are other staffs less "disjointed" in the sense of the first post?

Hard to know if this matters except by comparison to successful staffs.

I think you would see similar things if you picked apart other staffs.

Not every coach on every staff falls from the same tree. Guys may not have worked together, but there are definitely "connections" with guys.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you would see similar things if you picked apart other staffs.

Not every coach on every staff falls from the same tree. Guys may not have worked together, but there are definitely "connections" with guys.

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

Again, I'd prefer to see how other staffs shake out before I make any hard conclusions about the Skins setup. You're taking one staff and putting it under the microscope and assuming this is the only staff in the league built this way.

It's certainly not uncommon for staffs to have holdovers from previous ones.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Again, I'd prefer to see how other staffs shake out before I make any hard conclusions about the Skins setup. You're taking one staff and putting it under the microscope and assuming this is the only staff in the league built this way.

It's certainly not uncommon for staffs to have holdovers from previous ones.

I looked at Pittsburgh coaching structure and they indeed have people who have been coaching in their ranks longer than Mike Tomlin, or not brought in by Tomlin...six I believe.

One of the differences though is most of those coaches had been coaching with the Steelers for 10+ years. The Steelers are obviously the exception because of their long coaching terms.

I agree that I should have perhaps looked over some other coaching ranks before looking into ours however we certainly do have a wide array of various coaching tangents that have all met among our ranks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

You make it sound like Zorn and Blache don't discuss defensive game plans, which is 100% not true

But Matty is right, you're basically putting this staff under the microscope and making assumptions about the rest of the league

[Dirtbag59]

Bring in Eric DeCosta and let him choose the coach. So long as it's not someone from the Belicheck coaching tree I think we'll be fine.