I Thought It Takes 2 Years To Learn The WCO

[Trample the Elderly]

Just beat Dallas and Filthy and I'll be happy.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Angry

If they can start scoring in the Redzone, then yes they are close.

But we don't so were not

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Angry

I think that there has been progress. It just hasn't translated into points and wins yet. If the Skins stay the course, they can get there.

I'm with Angry on this one.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

I definitely think we have seen progress in Campbell; however I don't think its enough to justify signing him to a big contract... especially given that he would likely be starting over and learning a new offensive system next year if he stayed in 2010.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

Are you sure? My understanding was that you start off great for about eight games, get progressively worse for the next 23 and then kick ass on the 32nd.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

Maybe it's a Benjamin Buttons Offense that progresses in reverse. They start off good and then get worse and worse with each game. At the year 2 mark, they'll be averaging zero points a game.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Maybe it's a Benjamin Buttons Offense that progresses in reverse. They start off good and then get worse and worse with each game. At the year 2 mark, they'll be averaging zero points a game.

Haha, that actually makes some sense though. I could see it happening.

My biggest question is how long do people (and the FO) stomach mediocrity before they decide it's time to step in and make a change? When does it stop being, "knee-jerk" and starts becoming "a good idea?". This season? Next season? When this team starts imploding on itself? I keep seeing that many people want to give certain players and staff a chance.. But where's the point (if there is one) where you just have to come to terms with the fact that maybe "XYZ" isn't cut out for what is demanded of them?

And that's not to say that they're TERRIBLE and can't make it in the NFL as a player or a staff position, but that maybe they're just out of their element on this team and can't adjust to their roles.

[KLHJ2]

The fans of the Washinton Redskins are impatient, always have been impatient, and always will be impatient. People in DC want instant gratification on the football field just as they experience in their every day lives. When things don't work the way we expect immediately, we want to change it. It is the attitude that comes with the town. The only way to counter the fans attitude of the DC area is to ignore it and be patient. Kind of hard to do when you (the owner) are a fan who was raised in this town.

If I can become a millionaire in a year, then why can't I win a Superbowl in a year?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Angry

The fans of the Washinton Redskins are impatient, always have been impatient, and always will be impatient. People in DC want instant gratification on the football field just as they experience in their every day lives. When things don't work the way we expect immediately, we want to change it. It is the attitude that comes with the town. The only way to counter the fans attitude of the DC area is to ignore it and be patient. Kind of hard to do when you (the owner) are a fan who was raised in this town.

If I can become a millionaire in a year, then why can't I win a Superbowl in a year?

Ugh. Patience?

Three winning seasons in ten years? No Super Bowl or conference championship appearance in 18 years? How much longer are we supposed to be patient?

In this league, patience is what the losers preach.

[dan_snyder69]

yea like smootsmack said, the problem is no progress has been shown. If anything, regression. That regression can probably be attributed to the declining talent of our o-line since our 6-2 start last year, but regardless of the reason, we are still declining.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We all talk about Snyder not showing any patients but what are all the fans now doing? When Zorn was hired all the talk was it takes 2 years for the O to learn and get down the timing of the WCO. Joe T. and others said over and over again it takes 2 years and fans need to be patient. We are 4 weeks into the season not even close to having two years in the system and now everyone is jumping ship. Just a thought.

i dont think EVERYONE is jumping ship, unless cultbrennan69 = everyone. alot of us may bitch and moan about JC or JZ in some-what knee jerk reactions to what we see, but i think most of us (based on whats posted on the warpath) are willing to give them both the rest of the season to show signs of progress.

go skins!!

[Chico23231]

How long does it take to learn how to call proper plays? How long does it take to make in and out game adjustments as a head coach in order to win games? How long does it take to learn to motivate and lead a team? How long should I wait to see progression in an offense?

[FRPLG]

I am less concerned about the system because we all know it can work. I am more concerned about the fact that we apparently only have one player on offense who is a difference maker. Let's face it: JC certainly hasn't been a world beater, Portis looks old, the linemen range from simply average to old, Sellers has looked like an ordinary fullback and the WRs look not very good to old. Only Cooley is any good right now. The problem isn't so much the system or play calling really as it is talent I think. And knowing the system will cover up a lack of talent only so much.

[Redskin Warrior]

I think the true problem with us is before Lewis came on board yesterday who had experience in the WCO besides Zorn? I don't think anyone has therefore i'm not convinced all the coaches know what they are coaching. Other coaches bring in Cam Cameron, Dom Capers, Mike Nolan & etc. All previous coaches who had experience and know what they are doing.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I think the true problem with us is before Lewis came on board yesterday who had experience in the WCO besides Zorn? I don't think anyone has therefore i'm not convinced all the coaches know what they are coaching. Other coaches bring in Cam Cameron, Dom Capers, Mike Nolan & etc. All previous coaches who had experience and know what they are doing.

Good point. I have seen others point that out as well. I don't think this means the end of Jim Zorn. Maybe they just brought Lewis in to get a fresh perspective on things and to help coach up the coaches.