Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!'

Giantone · 10-19-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

An owner who listens to the fans and bases decisions on their *opinions* is an idiot.

Normally I would say you're right but not in this case.Redskin fans are a strange breed......the're never wrong ,the're team is always the best ,they always have the best QB and player at every position,do you know how bad it has to get to piss this many Redskin fans off,ohhhh yeah....he needs to listen to the fans!I mean this as nicely as I can put it being a Giant fan among this group(Redskin fans in general).....ain't easy.Yet having done it now for almost 30 years I can say I have never seen things this bad for Skins fans.The Skins have been rebuilding now ....for what 17-18 years and everytime they were on the brink ..."The Danny" would do something..in one form or another to disrupt it,does he mean to ...no.Redskin fans are some of the most devoted and faithful football fans I have ever seen......to the point of ...well....wanting to smack them.For the Redskin faithful to rebel and not be listen to is a sin.Since the Danny bought the team these fans have been to the point of giddiness every off season only to have everything torn down year after year.I just believe he has taken advantage of them one to many times and now they are fighting mad,and good for them!

tryfuhl · 10-19-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Normally I would say you're right but not in this case.Redskin fans are a strange breed......the're never wrong ,the're team is always the best ,they always have the best QB and player at every position,do you know how bad it has to get to piss this many Redskin fans off,ohhhh yeah....he needs to listen to the fans!I mean this as nicely as I can put it being a Giant fan among this group(Redskin fans in general).....ain't easy.Yet having done it now for almost 30 years I can say I have never seen things this bad for Skins fans.The Skins have been rebuilding now ....for what 17-18 years and everytime they were on the brink ..."The Danny" would do something..in one form or another to disrupt it,does he mean to ...no.Redskin fan are some of the most devoted and faithful football fans I have ever seen......to the point of ...well....wanting to smack them.For the Redskin faithful to rebel and not be listen to is a sin.Since the Danny bought the team these fans have been to the point of giddiness every off season only to have everything torn down year after year.I just believe he has taken advantage of them one to many times and now they are fighting mad,and good for them!

WillH · 10-19-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lotus

dexter manley for head coach.

ha ha ha ha

Trample the Elderly · 10-19-2009, 05:58 PM

That would be the smallest offensive book ever.

KLHJ2 · 10-19-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

haha!

GusFrerotte · 10-19-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

An owner who listens to the fans and bases decisions on their *opinions* is an idiot.

Most of the time I would agree with you, but this situation is getting out of control, meaning both the present course of both the season and the franchise in general. Also, with these "sexy" FA acquisitions and bringing in Gibbs again, Snyder was trying to appeal to the fanbase to keep them excited. So in a way, Snyder is already been proven to be an idiot. If he wasn't trying to appease the fans or give them big names to excite them he would have had a solid plan on building a winner, but no he prefers this chaos.

Trample the Elderly · 10-19-2009, 06:57 PM

No sir! Everyone is saying that this team is managed badly, not just fans. You think this is bad? Wait until you get a load of Monday Night Football. The pain has only started.

GusFrerotte · 10-19-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Wow Tryfuhl, that is mean. Giantone is a pretty good poster, not a troll like some Cowboy fans we usually get.

SBXVII · 10-19-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Excellent read in the DC Sports Bog relating Kornheiser's day watching the game from the owner's box and the discussion he had with Dan Snyder before and during the game yesterday. The highlight for me was him telling Danny that it's all on him and Snyder saying he's embarrassed for the fans.

D.C. Sports Bog - Inside the Owner's Box

I don't know why he would be embarrassed for the fans? He should just be embarrasssed period. We should be embarrassed for him. If anything at all. He bought into this mess that he and VC created.

Chico23231 · 10-19-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No sir! Everyone is saying that this team is managed badly, not just fans. You think this is bad? Wait until you get a load of Monday Night Football. The pain has only started.

The forecast for this upcoming Monday Night could be a real sh*t storm. The garbage from South Jersey should come rolling down 95 round 4-5 in the afternoon bringing their stench into Fed Ex for the greening-out primetime party. You know they are gonna be a ton of those fowl bastards there. Ill be forced to see constant cut away shots of Snyder and that dead pan stare everytime they score. Im sure there also will be a couple cut away shots of our new offensive lacky turning that hamster wheel in the booth reaching in to find the next play. We keep talking about a bottom, but a primetime beat down of 40-something to a couple field goals has me thinking I might need to take off next Tuesday from work.

Skinny Tee · 10-19-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't know why he would be embarrassed for the fans? He should just be embarrasssed period. We should be embarrassed for him. If anything at all. He bought into this mess that he and VC created.

That is a strange comment.

He should be embarassed for himself. Thanks for your embarassment for me but save it asshole.

It's like he's a conduit for profit and only cares that the fans look really silly by getting so angry and wearing bags and all that. He knows there won't be change and we're stuck with him so the only empathy he can have is that we look really dumb protesting the condition of the Skins.

SBXVII · 10-19-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Unfortunatly I think I see more of him (Giantone) then I do you. But....having said that I thought he actually put together a rather nice write up about Skins fans. Instead of coming on here and laughing or calling us names.

Oh well I guess it's just me though.

mcarey032 · 10-19-2009, 08:02 PM

Why are there people sticking up for Snyder on this one. He is such an ego maniac that he has to do things his way. In business and he understand this when your business model fails, ultimately you go out of business. Certainly Snyder has had his fair share of bankruptcy dealings to know that when you fail it starts with the leadership of the business.

In this case, it is the Redskins he is heading up. He insisted on keeping Gibbs Assistants (minus Gregg Williams and Earnest Byner) and then interviewing the head coach. Who on earth would do that? Why would a coach want to come to place where the staff is already been selected for you?

In a business when you are asked to head a project or company, you get to pick your people that you know that you can trust to what you want them to do. I don't blame Zorn because certainly when you have the opportunity to be a head coach with all the money and prestige you get, you take it but was Zorn the best candidate for the job from the interview pool? NO, he was not. Schwartz, Spagnoulo, Jim Harbaugh, and the Indy coach were far better candidates than Zorn. The Redskins claimed that they turned down all those candidates or they weren't interested. I am sure that those candidates would never say that they weren't interested because they wouldn't want another organization to look and see how they handled the interview process and bad mouth a team.

So Snyder struck out there and decided to make a patch work coaching staff. Then he and his racketball partner decided not invest money in the offensive line that had not really been upgraded even prior to coach gibbs returning.

This is totally baffling and confusing. OK, so they put their fingers in the dam and hoped that nothing would go wrong. Mid-season, 6-2 and things were cruising until they hit the hardest part of their schedule playing some of the most physical teams in the league starting with Pittsburgh which just out muscled our offensive line and put intense pressure on campbell causing him to throw his first interception of the year. Right then and there, the front office should have made plans in the off season to either draft an OL or sign a premium OL in free agency. Instead they invested more in the defense, which I am not against because of the lack of pressure we put on the QB, but a lot of money was invested in two players when they could have probably gotten Hall cheaper than what they did and they may have been able to get Haynesworth down too.

I know that Dockery re-signed here, but what about the tackle position and what about RG where Randy Thomas and Samuels were aging? They did nothing other than sign a player who had eaten his way out of the NFL (Williams)and then signed another player who played sporadically with a couple of NFL teams (Bridges). Why were these positions ignored? Don't even start on Rhinehart because if you are a third round pick and can't get on the field you have real problems. We could have drafted players that could have helped right away. Instead we draft DB and some LBs which was a need, but serious what does Snyder have against OL and DL?

Snyder hired Cerrato to manage the personnel and coaches of this team. When you hire a guy whose track record has been average at best and the money doesn't match up with the win/loss record, then you have to make a change and accept responsibility. Snyder wants to put this on Zorn, well he should look no further because he thought he was being some sort of NFL scout by saying that he thought that this guy was going to be a really good NFL coach. When Cerrato goes as well as Zorn, the only one who will be left to hold the bag will be Snyder and it is a bag filled with garbage. He made it now he has to take it.

skinsfan_nn · 10-19-2009, 08:05 PM

Danny this is what your dumb ass GM thinks of "HIS AND YOUR" 0-Line. Cerrato is a total hack job. Talk about a Mental Case, ole Vinny doesn't have to go by one mirror to miss one!

Cerrato Discusses the Offensive Line

I happened to be listening to ESPN 980's pre-game show on my way to FedEx Field Sunday morning, and Vinny Cerrato came on for a pre-game interview with Larry Michael. Now, we all know that the focal point of fan distress over this team's personnel has overwhelmingly focused on the offensive line, and Michael was unusually pointed when questioning Cerrato about his handiwork.

"Vinny you catch a lot [of heat] over the weeks in terms of the roster, where this team is," Michael began. "But take a look at the offensive line, this has your stamp on it today. You've got Mike Williams, a project that YOU picked up as the guy making the decisions on the team, he's the right tackle. Stephon Heyer is to the left. Will Montgomery, another Vinny Cerrato guy. Derrick Dockery, you brought him in this year. So this offensive line today has your stamp on it, doesn't it?"

"Yeah," Cerrato agreed, his voice literally cracking. "Well, it did with Chris Samuels in it, too. I mean, the same, you know, last week, Mike Williams was playing right guard, and Heyer was playing right tackle, and Samuels was playing left tackle, so that did too. So, you know, I don't see what that really matters, Larry."

[Trust me, it does. - ed.]

"Are these guys, however, better suited for these positions today, with Mike out there and Stephon at the left side?" Michael followed up.

"I think Stephon is more natural at left tackle, and Mike's always been a right tackle, but he didn't play bad at right guard," Cerrato answered. "So you know, I think that, yeah, I think they'll play well today."

This made no sense to me at 11:30 in the morning, and it makes no sense to me now, but there's really nothing left to say any more. Rarely are the media jackals this completely right. I've never played a down of real football in my life, and yet in August, I--like everyone else--was saying that this offensive line was one or two injuries away from disaster.

Against the 32nd ranked NFL defense--a team that had been allowing 27.6 points and 402.8 yards a game, we saw what disaster looked like. It looked like a cold, wet, smashed hot dog bun that's been run over by a Hummer, stomped on by a marching band, doused with lighter fluid and then smeared onto the side of a porta-potty.

Incidentally, the offensive line also came up earlier during the pre-game show.

"Sonny, the offensive line, we saw it coming in the preseason," Kevin Sheehan said to Sonny Jurgensen. "We talked about it in the preseason, that if it didn't stay healthy it was gonna be in trouble. How much trouble are they in right now?"

"They're in trouble," Jurgensen said. "They didn't address it. They did NOT address the problem during the offseason, and they had to. I was talking to a general manager earlier in the year, and he said, 'The one thing that we went into the season wanting, we wanted TWO offensive lines. We wanted to make sure we had enough linemen, if people went down, you could plug in and be able to continue to play.' "

Imagine that. A few more nuggets from Cerrato's appearance.

On the second-year receivers: "I think you'd like more production. But I think that they're making progress. And what they need is, they need to gain confidence. And if you catch balls early in the game, I think you gain confidence. And when you have confidence, I think then it just carries over. You have a carryover factor. So I think if they can get going early, just like any receiver, they get going early, I think then they become a huge factor in the game."

[Those guys combined for 1 catch for 12 yards, and 1 carry for 2 yards. For the season, they've combined for 144 receiving yards, two yards more than Eagles rookie Jeremy Maclin had last week. Guess Maclin has more confidence.]

On the offense: "The key is to score points....We've got to score more points."

[Against some of the NFL's worst teams, the Skins scored 40 points in their first three games, and 39 points in their next three games. The Saints have scored at least 45 points three separate times in their first five games. The Patriots scored 45 points in one half on Sunday.]

On Chris Samuels: "I think he's, uh, you know, doing fine, you know. It's just a mental thing, that, you know, he's got to feel better mentally, you know, I think. And, you know, it just takes a little bit of a time."

[A stinger for a guy with a history of spine problems is a mental thing? Really? Well, whatever.]

tryfuhl · 10-19-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Wow Tryfuhl, that is mean. Giantone is a pretty good poster, not a troll like some Cowboy fans we usually get.

I don't mind him but he does his fair share of trolling just like this:

"Normally I would say you're right but not in this case.Redskin fans are a strange breed......the're never wrong ,the're team is always the best ,they always have the best QB and player at every position"

It was right at the beginning of his post

10-19-2009, 05:58 PM	#19
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!' That would be the smallest offensive book ever. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-19-2009, 06:57 PM	#22
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!' No sir! Everyone is saying that this team is managed badly, not just fans. You think this is bad? Wait until you get a load of Monday Night Football. The pain has only started. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-19-2009, 08:02 PM	#28
mcarey032 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 215	Re: Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!' Why are there people sticking up for Snyder on this one. He is such an ego maniac that he has to do things his way. In business and he understand this when your business model fails, ultimately you go out of business. Certainly Snyder has had his fair share of bankruptcy dealings to know that when you fail it starts with the leadership of the business. In this case, it is the Redskins he is heading up. He insisted on keeping Gibbs Assistants (minus Gregg Williams and Earnest Byner) and then interviewing the head coach. Who on earth would do that? Why would a coach want to come to place where the staff is already been selected for you? In a business when you are asked to head a project or company, you get to pick your people that you know that you can trust to what you want them to do. I don't blame Zorn because certainly when you have the opportunity to be a head coach with all the money and prestige you get, you take it but was Zorn the best candidate for the job from the interview pool? NO, he was not. Schwartz, Spagnoulo, Jim Harbaugh, and the Indy coach were far better candidates than Zorn. The Redskins claimed that they turned down all those candidates or they weren't interested. I am sure that those candidates would never say that they weren't interested because they wouldn't want another organization to look and see how they handled the interview process and bad mouth a team. So Snyder struck out there and decided to make a patch work coaching staff. Then he and his racketball partner decided not invest money in the offensive line that had not really been upgraded even prior to coach gibbs returning. This is totally baffling and confusing. OK, so they put their fingers in the dam and hoped that nothing would go wrong. Mid-season, 6-2 and things were cruising until they hit the hardest part of their schedule playing some of the most physical teams in the league starting with Pittsburgh which just out muscled our offensive line and put intense pressure on campbell causing him to throw his first interception of the year. Right then and there, the front office should have made plans in the off season to either draft an OL or sign a premium OL in free agency. Instead they invested more in the defense, which I am not against because of the lack of pressure we put on the QB, but a lot of money was invested in two players when they could have probably gotten Hall cheaper than what they did and they may have been able to get Haynesworth down too. I know that Dockery re-signed here, but what about the tackle position and what about RG where Randy Thomas and Samuels were aging? They did nothing other than sign a player who had eaten his way out of the NFL (Williams)and then signed another player who played sporadically with a couple of NFL teams (Bridges). Why were these positions ignored? Don't even start on Rhinehart because if you are a third round pick and can't get on the field you have real problems. We could have drafted players that could have helped right away. Instead we draft DB and some LBs which was a need, but serious what does Snyder have against OL and DL? Snyder hired Cerrato to manage the personnel and coaches of this team. When you hire a guy whose track record has been average at best and the money doesn't match up with the win/loss record, then you have to make a change and accept responsibility. Snyder wants to put this on Zorn, well he should look no further because he thought he was being some sort of NFL scout by saying that he thought that this guy was going to be a really good NFL coach. When Cerrato goes as well as Zorn, the only one who will be left to hold the bag will be Snyder and it is a bag filled with garbage. He made it now he has to take it.

10-19-2009, 08:05 PM	#29
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 60 Posts: 4,495	Re: Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!' Danny this is what your dumb ass GM thinks of "HIS AND YOUR" 0-Line. Cerrato is a total hack job. Talk about a Mental Case, ole Vinny doesn't have to go by one mirror to miss one! Cerrato Discusses the Offensive Line I happened to be listening to ESPN 980's pre-game show on my way to FedEx Field Sunday morning, and Vinny Cerrato came on for a pre-game interview with Larry Michael. Now, we all know that the focal point of fan distress over this team's personnel has overwhelmingly focused on the offensive line, and Michael was unusually pointed when questioning Cerrato about his handiwork. "Vinny you catch a lot [of heat] over the weeks in terms of the roster, where this team is," Michael began. "But take a look at the offensive line, this has your stamp on it today. You've got Mike Williams, a project that YOU picked up as the guy making the decisions on the team, he's the right tackle. Stephon Heyer is to the left. Will Montgomery, another Vinny Cerrato guy. Derrick Dockery, you brought him in this year. So this offensive line today has your stamp on it, doesn't it?" "Yeah," Cerrato agreed, his voice literally cracking. "Well, it did with Chris Samuels in it, too. I mean, the same, you know, last week, Mike Williams was playing right guard, and Heyer was playing right tackle, and Samuels was playing left tackle, so that did too. So, you know, I don't see what that really matters, Larry." [Trust me, it does. - ed.] "Are these guys, however, better suited for these positions today, with Mike out there and Stephon at the left side?" Michael followed up. "I think Stephon is more natural at left tackle, and Mike's always been a right tackle, but he didn't play bad at right guard," Cerrato answered. "So you know, I think that, yeah, I think they'll play well today." This made no sense to me at 11:30 in the morning, and it makes no sense to me now, but there's really nothing left to say any more. Rarely are the media jackals this completely right. I've never played a down of real football in my life, and yet in August, I--like everyone else--was saying that this offensive line was one or two injuries away from disaster. Against the 32nd ranked NFL defense--a team that had been allowing 27.6 points and 402.8 yards a game, we saw what disaster looked like. It looked like a cold, wet, smashed hot dog bun that's been run over by a Hummer, stomped on by a marching band, doused with lighter fluid and then smeared onto the side of a porta-potty. Incidentally, the offensive line also came up earlier during the pre-game show. "Sonny, the offensive line, we saw it coming in the preseason," Kevin Sheehan said to Sonny Jurgensen. "We talked about it in the preseason, that if it didn't stay healthy it was gonna be in trouble. How much trouble are they in right now?" "They're in trouble," Jurgensen said. "They didn't address it. They did NOT address the problem during the offseason, and they had to. I was talking to a general manager earlier in the year, and he said, 'The one thing that we went into the season wanting, we wanted TWO offensive lines. We wanted to make sure we had enough linemen, if people went down, you could plug in and be able to continue to play.' " Imagine that. A few more nuggets from Cerrato's appearance. On the second-year receivers: "I think you'd like more production. But I think that they're making progress. And what they need is, they need to gain confidence. And if you catch balls early in the game, I think you gain confidence. And when you have confidence, I think then it just carries over. You have a carryover factor. So I think if they can get going early, just like any receiver, they get going early, I think then they become a huge factor in the game." [Those guys combined for 1 catch for 12 yards, and 1 carry for 2 yards. For the season, they've combined for 144 receiving yards, two yards more than Eagles rookie Jeremy Maclin had last week. Guess Maclin has more confidence.] On the offense: "The key is to score points....We've got to score more points." [Against some of the NFL's worst teams, the Skins scored 40 points in their first three games, and 39 points in their next three games. The Saints have scored at least 45 points three separate times in their first five games. The Patriots scored 45 points in one half on Sunday.] On Chris Samuels: "I think he's, uh, you know, doing fine, you know. It's just a mental thing, that, you know, he's got to feel better mentally, you know, I think. And, you know, it just takes a little bit of a time." [A stinger for a guy with a history of spine problems is a mental thing? Really? Well, whatever.] __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

Kornheiser tells Snyder personally yesterday 'It's all on YOU!'

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