Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong

Son Of Man · 11-02-2009, 04:32 PM

personally, I didn't want Holmgren here anyway. He has just appeared to be somewhat lacks the last few years. The day of the laid back coach in Washington needs to end. We need a firm hand to steady this ship. I wouldlean toward a defensive minded coach who brings in a stellar OC to focus solely on the O. Or I'll take Shanahan or Gruden and give Jerry gray the DC job.

Longtimefan · 11-02-2009, 04:18 PM

Certainly does not come as surprise from someone who had Zorn in his employ for so long. If that's his feeling, it's difficult to argue with him.

SBXVII · 11-03-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Certainly does not come as surprise from someone who had Zorn in his employ for so long. If that's his feeling, it's difficult to argue with him.

Many a people are good at what they do, but when put in position of authority.....they suck.

I'm sure Zorn has some nice qualities, but there are some glaringly bad qualities as well...

1) He fails at motivational speaking.
2) He failed to adjust his scheme for the talent he has.
3) His play calling is a failure.

I'll agree it was unfair to take the play calling away. I would have let him sink or swim as a HC. VC would be gone by now though. Players put on notice that they are playing to keep their jobs next yr.

SolidSnake84 · 11-02-2009, 04:33 PM

People it doesnt matter who coaches here. Dan Snyder and Vinny are the Problems! Not Dan so much, but still nobody is going to make a difference if things keep going the way they are.

I wanted Jon Gruden as coach but that's not going to happen. But I agree with Mike Holmgren. They've abused Jim Zorn.

12thMan · 11-02-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

People it doesnt matter who coaches here. Dan Snyder and Vinny are the Problems! Not Dan so much, but still nobody is going to make a difference if things keep going the way they are.

I wanted Jon Gruden as coach but that's not going to happen. But I agree with Mike Holmgren. They've abused Jim Zorn.

I think everyone here acknowledges that Dan Snyder needs to change the way he does business. And let me tell you, Zorn 'aint exactly crying as he'll be getting all of his contract. I could take a little of abuse for five mil!

As far as coaches go, I'm so much caught up on who he brings here as much as how he's brought here.

The choice has to be made in concert with the GM, if not by the GM himself. Everything needs to be snyched properly this time. That's what I'm looking for. I could care less about the name of the person. Let's face it, Snyder has a lot of money and there are few unemployed and employed coaches that will be available when the time comes.

I think the PR part of this will be extremely important too. The perception has to be created from jump street that Dan Snyder has learned his lesson and is handing the operation over to bonafide football men.

BigHairedAristocrat · 11-02-2009, 05:13 PM

This doesnt mean a thing. My understanding is that the decision to take Zorn's playcalling duties away was Cerrato's and Cerrato's alone. If Cerrato's gone, all bets are off.

Personally, I see the "Big 4" coaching in the following teams next year:

Cowher/Carolina - No brainer.

Gruden/Dallas - Jerry would probably rather have Shanahan, but I don't see him giving Shanahan the kind of control he'd probably want. If nothing else, I don't think Shanahan would want Jones being Owner/GM. He'd either want full control himself or the authority to bring in his own personnel guy. Gruden couldn't care less, so I think he gets the job.

Shanahan/Washington - I think Snyder fires Cerrato and either gives Shanahan total control or allows him to bring in his own personnel guy to be GM.

Holmgren/??? - In my mind, he's the least attractive of all the guys out there for a coaching position, and I don't think he takes a head coaching job anywhere next year if its not "high profile." Dallas and Washtingon are the only "high profile" jobs I see opening up next year. Cleavland, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, and Oakland simply arent attractive enough. In the end, I think he'll consider taking GM potiions in one of those citie, or perhaps even in washington. Now, if Philly collapses as the year goes on, its possible Reid gets fired and Holmgren would be the perfect fit there, but I don't see that coming. The real wild card here is San Francisco. I dont think the job becomes available, but if it does, Thats where i think he'll end up. at the end of the day, none of that is realy likely, so I think he either stays retired or returns to Seattle and takes a GM role there until an attractive HC position opens up somewhere else.

Hog1 · 11-02-2009, 05:47 PM

Let the new GM worry about it!

Dirtbag59 · 11-02-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Let the new GM worry about it!

You mean the new Executive President of Football Operations. And no I didn't forget the Vice part.

skinsfaninok · 11-02-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

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Well he will mostly likely not be coach or GM now!!!

GOOD!! He's Old and washed up anyways.. We need Gruden or Shanahan to come in as a HC..

skinsfan69 · 11-02-2009, 10:42 PM

Holmgren sticking up for one of his guys. Glad he said something. Maybe we should hire a player personel consultant while we're at it. lol.

MonkFan4Life · 11-02-2009, 11:10 PM

With all due respect...Fuck Mike Holmgren. His boy was garbage as a play caller. He's is still the HEAD FREAKING COACH ! I mean seriously. What the fuck does Tom Coughlin do ? Manage the game. Tell his nice friend to learn how to do that while he is still here.

HAIL DANNY !

GusFrerotte · 11-03-2009, 12:09 AM

If he was considering the job, why open his mouth? No need to hedge his bets with regards to Zorn by not being overly harsh in his criticism of Snyder's actions or to act like he didn't like what happened to Zorn. I mean what was the point? It was a rather lame way of voicing displeasure at the rough treatment of a colleague. If he didn't want to offend Snyder he should have just shut up. Hedging your bets is rather lame. I guess it doesn't matter. I don't want Holmgren in here anyway. The WCO sucks monkey balls.

JLee9718 · 11-03-2009, 12:21 AM

Snyder can always say that taking the play-calling duties away from Zorn was solely Cerrato's doing.

CultBrennan59 · 11-03-2009, 12:43 AM

Well you can scratch Holmgren off the list of possible Head Coaches, so enjoy Shanahan, Gruden, or an Unknown

Chico23231 · 11-03-2009, 07:10 AM

Of course the treatment was a disgrace. Look who is running the team, 2 no class people...any coach who wants to come here obviously wants his reputation destroyed and just want to get paid. Until Vinny is gone and Snyder takes himself out of making football decisions it doesnt matter who is here, we will fail. Its like our quarterback situation, no matter who comes here they will suck until we get the Oline fixed. This team is competes with the Raiders and Browns as poorest run team period

11-02-2009, 04:32 PM	#1
Son Of Man Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 643	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong personally, I didn't want Holmgren here anyway. He has just appeared to be somewhat lacks the last few years. The day of the laid back coach in Washington needs to end. We need a firm hand to steady this ship. I wouldlean toward a defensive minded coach who brings in a stellar OC to focus solely on the O. Or I'll take Shanahan or Gruden and give Jerry gray the DC job. __________________ RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

11-02-2009, 04:18 PM	#2
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Certainly does not come as surprise from someone who had Zorn in his employ for so long. If that's his feeling, it's difficult to argue with him.

11-02-2009, 04:33 PM	#4
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong People it doesnt matter who coaches here. Dan Snyder and Vinny are the Problems! Not Dan so much, but still nobody is going to make a difference if things keep going the way they are. I wanted Jon Gruden as coach but that's not going to happen. But I agree with Mike Holmgren. They've abused Jim Zorn. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

11-02-2009, 05:13 PM	#6
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong This doesnt mean a thing. My understanding is that the decision to take Zorn's playcalling duties away was Cerrato's and Cerrato's alone. If Cerrato's gone, all bets are off. Personally, I see the "Big 4" coaching in the following teams next year: Cowher/Carolina - No brainer. Gruden/Dallas - Jerry would probably rather have Shanahan, but I don't see him giving Shanahan the kind of control he'd probably want. If nothing else, I don't think Shanahan would want Jones being Owner/GM. He'd either want full control himself or the authority to bring in his own personnel guy. Gruden couldn't care less, so I think he gets the job. Shanahan/Washington - I think Snyder fires Cerrato and either gives Shanahan total control or allows him to bring in his own personnel guy to be GM. Holmgren/??? - In my mind, he's the least attractive of all the guys out there for a coaching position, and I don't think he takes a head coaching job anywhere next year if its not "high profile." Dallas and Washtingon are the only "high profile" jobs I see opening up next year. Cleavland, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, and Oakland simply arent attractive enough. In the end, I think he'll consider taking GM potiions in one of those citie, or perhaps even in washington. Now, if Philly collapses as the year goes on, its possible Reid gets fired and Holmgren would be the perfect fit there, but I don't see that coming. The real wild card here is San Francisco. I dont think the job becomes available, but if it does, Thats where i think he'll end up. at the end of the day, none of that is realy likely, so I think he either stays retired or returns to Seattle and takes a GM role there until an attractive HC position opens up somewhere else. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

11-02-2009, 05:47 PM	#7
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Let the new GM worry about it! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-02-2009, 10:42 PM	#10
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,437	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Holmgren sticking up for one of his guys. Glad he said something. Maybe we should hire a player personel consultant while we're at it. lol.

11-02-2009, 11:10 PM	#11
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong With all due respect...Fuck Mike Holmgren. His boy was garbage as a play caller. He's is still the HEAD FREAKING COACH ! I mean seriously. What the fuck does Tom Coughlin do ? Manage the game. Tell his nice friend to learn how to do that while he is still here. HAIL DANNY ! __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

11-03-2009, 12:09 AM	#12
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong If he was considering the job, why open his mouth? No need to hedge his bets with regards to Zorn by not being overly harsh in his criticism of Snyder's actions or to act like he didn't like what happened to Zorn. I mean what was the point? It was a rather lame way of voicing displeasure at the rough treatment of a colleague. If he didn't want to offend Snyder he should have just shut up. Hedging your bets is rather lame. I guess it doesn't matter. I don't want Holmgren in here anyway. The WCO sucks monkey balls.

11-03-2009, 12:21 AM	#13
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Snyder can always say that taking the play-calling duties away from Zorn was solely Cerrato's doing.

11-03-2009, 12:43 AM	#14
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Well you can scratch Holmgren off the list of possible Head Coaches, so enjoy Shanahan, Gruden, or an Unknown

11-03-2009, 07:10 AM	#15
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,018	Re: Holmgren: Redskins's Treatment of Zorn Was Wrong Of course the treatment was a disgrace. Look who is running the team, 2 no class people...any coach who wants to come here obviously wants his reputation destroyed and just want to get paid. Until Vinny is gone and Snyder takes himself out of making football decisions it doesnt matter who is here, we will fail. Its like our quarterback situation, no matter who comes here they will suck until we get the Oline fixed. This team is competes with the Raiders and Browns as poorest run team period

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