Gibbs defends Brunell

BrunellFan · 10-17-2004, 05:12 PM

If we had lost today- i would agree with you guys- but we have the bye week now, and I think Brunell deserves one final chance to show us something at home against Green Bay. The INT returned for a TD was a fluke play- not really his fault, so he played well enough for a 13-3 win.
If we lose against Green Bay and Brunell is at fault- then by all means bench him- but give him the bye to try to readjust.

SKINSnCANES · 10-17-2004, 05:13 PM

well whats gibbs going to say in a press conference. that hes happy we won and hes going to bench his starting qb. of course not. He still might play ramsey but i doubt it, either way he wouldnt have said anything in a post game conference.

Tahoe Skin · 10-17-2004, 05:28 PM

Brunell's main strength is handing the ball off to Portis, that is when he doesn't fumble the hand off. He doesn't have the arm strength to be effective; I'm sorry to say it but JG is in denial.

wolfeskins · 10-17-2004, 05:50 PM

yes,gibbs still would have put ramsey back on the bench even if ramsey would have led the skins to victory over the giants.gibbs would have said "nice job by ramsey but brunell is the starter,wer lucky to have such a good backup qb".
thats just my opinion.

monk81 · 10-17-2004, 05:50 PM

I think the ineffectiveness of the offense can't be totally laid at Burnell's feet. I think the loss of Jon Jansen was a huge blow to our offensive line and protection he would have afforded, as well as blocking for Portis. I've read article after article that said although Samuels was focused on playing back to his pro-bowl level, he has yet to show the determination he did during camp and sometimes takes plays off. So Burnell has a make shift line he's working with. Gibbs doesn't have all the players with the skills he needs to make his offense hum. We are working with so-so tight ends, our only stellar wide receiver with speed is Coles, the rest are so-so. After losing games to turnovers and mistakes it looks like Gibbs has scaled back the offense and gone back to basics to get some wins and work with the talent the Redskins have on offense. In other words, our defense is being counted on to win games, and our offense is supposed to just be good enough not to lose the game. I think we need another draft (too bad we gave up a 2nd round pick for Bailey cause we could've used that pick...SIGH!) Anyway, Joe can't perform miracles with talent he lacks on offense! He's tinkering and trying but the team just isn't there yet. I've heard Theismann say and I've heard Gibbs say as well that he would prefer to have a QB throw the ball away then try to force something that isn't there. Burnell is doing what he can, with what he has. Yes, Ramsey is younger, and had a nice drive when he came in, BUT he also threw several picks........Gibbs isn't going to yield the team to a young gun...I think he feels a younger QB would make even more costly mistakes, something this offense can ill afford. And that's my humble opinion for what it's worth.........Joe needs more time folks, we waited 13 so what's one or two more......SIGH

MTK · 10-17-2004, 06:07 PM

I'll stand behind Gibbs with whatever decision he makes, but right now I don't think Brunell should be starting. I hope he proves us all wrong.

That Guy · 10-17-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

If he can heal and run to make the short 20 to 30 yd passes he will be successful. The timing is still not there for Brunell and Jacobs on the long pass.

I'm not sure that Ramsey is approaching his secondary role to Brunell in good favor.

you realize he's only completed 3 long passes the entire season and hasn't been remotely close on any of the others right? its not the timing as much as a jelly arm...
and wtf do you keep pulling this crap about ramsey not doing sh*t right??? did you catch him talking crap or something? seriously, unless you have some kind of proof or source, you need to cut that...

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

If Gibb's message is consistentcy and confidence in a QB then I will defend him to the end because that's something we didn't have for the last two years. If the Redskins win the next 3 games, (Packers, Lions and Bengals)
with Brunell, there should be some kind of an apology thread to Gibbs for accusing him of being blind to the obvious facts. And what are the obvious facts? A young talented QB who threw 3 INTS in his only game appearance. 2 sacks in the same. Seems incapable of moving in the pocket. On the other hand, an injured veteran with a proven record, whose skills have deminished, but still able to lead his team with a weak O line. Now loyalty to Brunell has nothing to do with Ramsey on the bench. Ramsey had his chance and blew it. If Rasmey won the game against the Giants, do you think Gibbs would have benched him anyway?

history lesson: Gibbs sticks with crappy QBs, always has... even when they're REALLY REALLY stinking it up, check the records. you mention ramsey had 2 sacks, but forgot to mention that BRUNELL HAD 3, and MB gave up points and couldn't drive down the field, unlike ramsey. Not to mention that ramsey didn't have a full week with the 1st team, and was thrown in 14 points down... he got seven... brunell hasn't even been able to come back for 3.

In five games brunell has proven he's old and tired, give ramsey a full game... IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE. under 100 yards?? in two games?? five turnovers taken back for touchdowns??? come on...

SUNRA · 10-17-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

you realize he's only completed 3 long passes the entire season and hasn't been remotely close on any of the others right? its not the timing as much as a jelly arm...
and wtf do you keep pulling this crap about ramsey not doing sh*t right??? did you catch him talking crap or something? seriously, unless you have some kind of proof or source, you need to cut that...

history lesson: Gibbs sticks with crappy QBs, always has... even when they're REALLY REALLY stinking it up, check the records. you mention ramsey had 2 sacks, but forgot to mention that BRUNELL HAD 3, and MB gave up points and couldn't drive down the field, unlike ramsey. Not to mention that ramsey didn't have a full week with the 1st team, and was thrown in 14 points down... he got seven... brunell hasn't even been able to come back for 3.

In five games brunell has proven he's old and tired, give ramsey a full game... IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE. under 100 yards?? in two games?? five turnovers taken back for touchdowns??? come on...

First of all, I'm gonna keep sh@$ting on Ramsey as long you keep pulling him out of your a@#$. The most illlogical statement you made was play Ramsey for a full game, it can't be any worse . Oh you don't mine losing with him because at least he put up good numbers right? I think passing yard stats mean more to you than wins.

You're beating a dead horse and the fact still remains that Brunell is starting in two weeks. So take a deep breath and cheer for the Redskins to win with Brunell rather than hoping Brunell loses his job.

skinsguy · 10-17-2004, 08:36 PM

History lessons for you guys:

Gibbs won Super Bowls with Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Out of those three names, the only one that I felt was a "franchise" player was joe Theismann. Doug Williams was a flash in the pan as well as Rypien yet Gibbs was successful with them. When this offense is gelled completely, it really won't matter who the QB is. Now, certainly I haven't been too impressed by Brunell, but I still don't think Ramsey at this point can do a better job...but that isn't to say that Brunell is doing an outstanding job because he's not...bottom line:

I really can care less who the QB is as long as the Redskins win! Heck, bring back Doug Williams or Mark Rypien...heck I'll play...just let the Redskins win!

Hogskin · 10-17-2004, 08:57 PM

Well, if you guys recall, *I* put a history lesson in a couple threads last week. It was related to what I saw as Gibbs' one an only MAJOR flaw as a head coach. That is his stubborn refusal to replace a QB that is stinking up the joint. And you Brunell fans can say what you like, there was no excuse for some of those horrible, horrible passes. He is awful at this point in his career.

Theismann was at the same point in HIS career (per my "history lesson" from last week), and the only thing that got him out of there and transformed a team headed under .500 to 10-6 was LT breaking his leg. I hope Gibbs realizes by tomorrow that he can go nowhere with this guy at the helm the rest of the season. If not, I will have to revise my 9-7 projection that is clearly still attainable with someone that can complete a downfield pass and can move a PRO offense.

Brunell is washed up. Period.

skinsguy · 10-17-2004, 09:12 PM

I don't recall Gibbs sticking with a QB a major flaw..heck...he stayed sith several medicore QBs and still was able to have 3 Super Bowl rings in 4 Super Bowl appearences..I hardly call that a flaw.....

ArringtonRules · 10-18-2004, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

First of all, I'm gonna keep sh@$ting on Ramsey as long you keep pulling him out of your a@#$. The most illlogical statement you made was play Ramsey for a full game, it can't be any worse . Oh you don't mine losing with him because at least he put up good numbers right? I think passing yard stats mean more to you than wins.

You're beating a dead horse and the fact still remains that Brunell is starting in two weeks. So take a deep breath and cheer for the Redskins to win with Brunell rather than hoping Brunell loses his job.

SUNRA, I was all for brunell when he became our starter as Ramsey was struggling. It was the best choice at the beginning of the season. RIGHT NOW it is not.
BTW brunell has not won us any games. Both the games were won by our defense!! In fact brunell did do everything in his power to make sure we lost!!
Can you explain how this supposedly decent QB could not even muster 100 yrds against the 28th ranked passing team in the NFL!! I'm not sure Ramsey is the answer either, but at this point of time our offense needs LEADERSHIP and SPARK. It's not their with brunell. Who know benching brunell for a game might be exactly what he needs. All I know at this point, with a bye, it the perfect oppurtunity to get Ramsey ready for the net game. We can't expect our defense to keep bailing us out all the time.

SmootSmack · 10-18-2004, 01:11 AM

I'll be cheering for the Redskins to win even if denim monger is the QB (did I just say that?!) And I don't want Brunell to get badly hurt or anything like that but I think we need to be proactive about this. I will respect Gibbs' decision no matter what but I think instead of waiting for another game in which we lose because the offense couldn't take advantage of our great defense we need to send someone out there with the physical tools to generate some offense for us.

Ramsey has the physical tools and the only way for him to develop the intangible skills is for him to get out there and play.

Hogskin · 10-18-2004, 01:14 AM

I agree, Smack. Gibbs is the guy making the decisions. And whether I agree with them or not, I will be rooting for the team 100%. But I sure hope it won't take too long for him to make the call that has to be made.

denim_monger · 10-19-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

I'll be cheering for the Redskins to win even if denim monger is the QB (did I just say that?!) And I don't want Brunell to get badly hurt or anything like that but I think we need to be proactive about this. I will respect Gibbs' decision no matter what but I think instead of waiting for another game in which we lose because the offense couldn't take advantage of our great defense we need to send someone out there with the physical tools to generate some offense for us.

Ramsey has the physical tools and the only way for him to develop the intangible skills is for him to get out there and play.

i been known to play some mean nerf football qb when me and my buds play some football on turkey day we call it the turkey bowl. we're always really trashed and high as a skyscraper, last year my bud puked all over the ball, nasty

10-17-2004, 05:12 PM	#1
BrunellFan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 334	If we had lost today- i would agree with you guys- but we have the bye week now, and I think Brunell deserves one final chance to show us something at home against Green Bay. The INT returned for a TD was a fluke play- not really his fault, so he played well enough for a 13-3 win. If we lose against Green Bay and Brunell is at fault- then by all means bench him- but give him the bye to try to readjust. __________________ RIP Mark

10-17-2004, 05:13 PM	#2
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	well whats gibbs going to say in a press conference. that hes happy we won and hes going to bench his starting qb. of course not. He still might play ramsey but i doubt it, either way he wouldnt have said anything in a post game conference. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

10-17-2004, 08:57 PM	#10
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	Well, if you guys recall, I put a history lesson in a couple threads last week. It was related to what I saw as Gibbs' one an only MAJOR flaw as a head coach. That is his stubborn refusal to replace a QB that is stinking up the joint. And you Brunell fans can say what you like, there was no excuse for some of those horrible, horrible passes. He is awful at this point in his career. Theismann was at the same point in HIS career (per my "history lesson" from last week), and the only thing that got him out of there and transformed a team headed under .500 to 10-6 was LT breaking his leg. I hope Gibbs realizes by tomorrow that he can go nowhere with this guy at the helm the rest of the season. If not, I will have to revise my 9-7 projection that is clearly still attainable with someone that can complete a downfield pass and can move a PRO offense. Brunell is washed up. Period. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-18-2004, 01:11 AM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I'll be cheering for the Redskins to win even if denim monger is the QB (did I just say that?!) And I don't want Brunell to get badly hurt or anything like that but I think we need to be proactive about this. I will respect Gibbs' decision no matter what but I think instead of waiting for another game in which we lose because the offense couldn't take advantage of our great defense we need to send someone out there with the physical tools to generate some offense for us. Ramsey has the physical tools and the only way for him to develop the intangible skills is for him to get out there and play. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-18-2004, 01:14 AM	#14
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	I agree, Smack. Gibbs is the guy making the decisions. And whether I agree with them or not, I will be rooting for the team 100%. But I sure hope it won't take too long for him to make the call that has to be made. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-17-2004, 05:28 PM	#3
Tahoe Skin Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 100	Brunell's main strength is handing the ball off to Portis, that is when he doesn't fumble the hand off. He doesn't have the arm strength to be effective; I'm sorry to say it but JG is in denial.

10-17-2004, 05:50 PM	#4
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	yes,gibbs still would have put ramsey back on the bench even if ramsey would have led the skins to victory over the giants.gibbs would have said "nice job by ramsey but brunell is the starter,wer lucky to have such a good backup qb". thats just my opinion.

10-17-2004, 05:50 PM	#5
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	I think the ineffectiveness of the offense can't be totally laid at Burnell's feet. I think the loss of Jon Jansen was a huge blow to our offensive line and protection he would have afforded, as well as blocking for Portis. I've read article after article that said although Samuels was focused on playing back to his pro-bowl level, he has yet to show the determination he did during camp and sometimes takes plays off. So Burnell has a make shift line he's working with. Gibbs doesn't have all the players with the skills he needs to make his offense hum. We are working with so-so tight ends, our only stellar wide receiver with speed is Coles, the rest are so-so. After losing games to turnovers and mistakes it looks like Gibbs has scaled back the offense and gone back to basics to get some wins and work with the talent the Redskins have on offense. In other words, our defense is being counted on to win games, and our offense is supposed to just be good enough not to lose the game. I think we need another draft (too bad we gave up a 2nd round pick for Bailey cause we could've used that pick...SIGH!) Anyway, Joe can't perform miracles with talent he lacks on offense! He's tinkering and trying but the team just isn't there yet. I've heard Theismann say and I've heard Gibbs say as well that he would prefer to have a QB throw the ball away then try to force something that isn't there. Burnell is doing what he can, with what he has. Yes, Ramsey is younger, and had a nice drive when he came in, BUT he also threw several picks........Gibbs isn't going to yield the team to a young gun...I think he feels a younger QB would make even more costly mistakes, something this offense can ill afford. And that's my humble opinion for what it's worth.........Joe needs more time folks, we waited 13 so what's one or two more......SIGH

10-17-2004, 06:07 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I'll stand behind Gibbs with whatever decision he makes, but right now I don't think Brunell should be starting. I hope he proves us all wrong.

10-17-2004, 08:36 PM	#9
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	History lessons for you guys: Gibbs won Super Bowls with Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Out of those three names, the only one that I felt was a "franchise" player was joe Theismann. Doug Williams was a flash in the pan as well as Rypien yet Gibbs was successful with them. When this offense is gelled completely, it really won't matter who the QB is. Now, certainly I haven't been too impressed by Brunell, but I still don't think Ramsey at this point can do a better job...but that isn't to say that Brunell is doing an outstanding job because he's not...bottom line: I really can care less who the QB is as long as the Redskins win! Heck, bring back Doug Williams or Mark Rypien...heck I'll play...just let the Redskins win!

10-17-2004, 09:12 PM	#11
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I don't recall Gibbs sticking with a QB a major flaw..heck...he stayed sith several medicore QBs and still was able to have 3 Super Bowl rings in 4 Super Bowl appearences..I hardly call that a flaw.....

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