Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Broncos)

[DBUCHANON101]

True on CP, he easily could have been a negative distraction.

[Paintrain]

Yesterday was the most satisfying day as a Redskins fan in a long while, man is it sad to type that!

I agree wholeheartedly on Sherm Lewis. For all of the 'BINGO' jokes we endured while it went down and the pundits ripping on the process (Sherm to Sherm to JC) we've averaged just over 20 PPG with him calling the plays and have ZERO delay of game penalties or delay related time-outs. Big difference in what we're seeing from the offense, especially in the past 6 quarters.

I've got to give love to our favorite pillow hugger-Fred Davis. He's done a great job of coming in and not leaving a void where Cooley's injury is. He's making plays in the passing game, getting good run after catch numbers and blocking much better. All around, he's been impressive. When Cooley returns, we could legitimately have a nice 1-2 TE threat.

I'd like to see more and more of Thomas. This is another stubborn-Zorn issue for me. Thomas needs to get the ball and get hit to 'wake him up'. Ok, so he's a pro and that's pretty sad that he needs that in order to get going-but if that's what it takes, then do it! He obviously can make plays when he gets the ball in his hands. Put him back on kickoff returns, throw him an early bubble screen, get him involved.

I'm with you on the smackdowns. Yesterday could have been a bigger blowout but JC left 14 points on the board in the 1st half. He overthrew Moss by a mile on what should have been a long TD and then missed a WIDE OPEN Yoder down the middle. I typed in the gameday thread that he was making it really easy on his critics yesterday. I'm with you, I think he's still got a future as a starting QB (as a game manager a la Orton, Schaub, Garrard, Pennington, etc) in the NFL but never as a play maker and not here in DC.

Rogers-well I said my piece in the other thread. A defensive version of Rod Gardner with worse hands.

Safety play-Yeesh.. Landry jumped a crossing route letting Marshall run free on the 2nd TD of the day, Moore bit HARD on a cross and go and luckily Orton missed Royal for another 6. They better tighten that up or else Austin, Crayton and Williams (ok-maybe not Williams) will be running free all day next Sunday in Dallas.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yesterday was the most satisfying day as a Redskins fan in a long while, man is it sad to type that!

I agree wholeheartedly on Sherm Lewis. For all of the 'BINGO' jokes we endured while it went down and the pundits ripping on the process (Sherm to Sherm to JC) we've averaged just over 20 PPG with him calling the plays and have ZERO delay of game penalties or delay related time-outs. Big difference in what we're seeing from the offense, especially in the past 6 quarters.

I've got to give love to our favorite pillow hugger-Fred Davis. He's done a great job of coming in and not leaving a void where Cooley's injury is. He's making plays in the passing game, getting good run after catch numbers and blocking much better. All around, he's been impressive. When Cooley returns, we could legitimately have a nice 1-2 TE threat.

I'd like to see more and more of Thomas. This is another stubborn-Zorn issue for me. Thomas needs to get the ball and get hit to 'wake him up'. Ok, so he's a pro and that's pretty sad that he needs that in order to get going-but if that's what it takes, then do it! He obviously can make plays when he gets the ball in his hands. Put him back on kickoff returns, throw him an early bubble screen, get him involved.

I'm with you on the smackdowns. Yesterday could have been a bigger blowout but JC left 14 points on the board in the 1st half. He overthrew Moss by a mile on what should have been a long TD and then missed a WIDE OPEN Yoder down the middle. I typed in the gameday thread that he was making it really easy on his critics yesterday. I'm with you, I think he's still got a future as a starting QB (as a game manager a la Orton, Schaub, Garrard, Pennington, etc) in the NFL but never as a play maker and not here in DC.

Rogers-well I said my piece in the other thread. A defensive version of Rod Gardner with worse hands.

Safety play-Yeesh.. Landry jumped a crossing route letting Marshall run free on the 2nd TD of the day, Moore bit HARD on a cross and go and luckily Orton missed Royal for another 6. They better tighten that up or else Austin, Crayton and Williams (ok-maybe not Williams) will be running free all day next Sunday in Dallas.

Honestly I'd try and trade one of these guys for a RT or LT or a high draft pick.

[MTK]

Gotta love the playcalling and the balance yesterday. Of course it helps when your offensive line is opening holes and doing a decent job in protection.

It was nice to see Kelly, Thomas, and Davis all pitching in. I believe that's the first time we have been able to say that.

[Skins4Eva]

HTTR!!!! Finally a win we can be proud of. I too am absolutely loving the Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo sack race. We DEFINITELY made the right choice in drafting Sackpo, he has 7 sacks and really doesn't have a firm grasp of his position...imagine when he puts all of the pieces together!!! Wow. Andre Carter looks like a beast!! I say all of this in hopes of showing anyone who may have disagreed with the sigining of or underestimated the ability of Haynesworth. HE is the reason why Carter and Rakpo have the numbers they do. Yes, he may limp around, and take a lot of breathers, however, he absolutely wreaks havoc when he is in the game. when Rakpo and Carter both post double digit sacks seasons...it will be a great reflection on how having a player of Haynesworth's ability makes everyone better!!!......................................... ......................................... ITS DALLAS WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[joethiesmanfan]

Thumbs Up: Champ Bailey shut down Santana got to give him his respect. But Randel El is a killer in the slot.

[MTK]

I know JC struggled early but I thought he rebounded well. Gotta like the way he dished it around and scrambled for some key yards.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I know JC struggled early but I thought he rebounded well. Gotta like the way he dished it around and scrambled for some key yards.

I really don't understand what happened between the first drive and the rest of the game. He was on cue during that first drive...and I would have liked to see more from him (including being able to hit Santana with the deep ball).

[SBXVII]

Like the write up Smoot. A few things for me...

1) I'm not a fan favorite of Betts/Cartwright but the last two games I'll gladly eat crow. I said it once and will say it again....They both look good when in together, Betts blocking for Rock. Also if nothing else it might give us some trade value later in the year if we are looking to get younger.

2) Levi Jones, yes he's 30, but he only has 7yrs in the league. If he can stay healthy he might be able to help out for another 2-3yrs. We definitly need to get another LT for him to help train and a bonified RT or two. Then take all the other O-lineman we have (who are young) and make them Guards and Centers. Definitly need to pick up a taller Center. Rabach gets bowled over too much and I hate seeing any QB behind him squating so low to take the ball.

3) Roger......wow. He's definitly not a shut down corner. Bites on the first move all the time and I'm not the only person to notice, during the Tampa game the announcers mentioned that very thing. He's great at bump and run and yet sucks at his job when giving a cushion. Blache should simply make him play bump and run the rest of the season. Eveyone else can play zone...Rogers I want you to play bump and run....stick to your man like glue. Otherwise sit him and let the younger guys get experience.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Like the write up Smoot. A few things for me...

1) I'm not a fan favorite of Betts/Cartwright but the last two games I'll gladly eat crow. I said it once and will say it again....They both look good when in together, Betts blocking for Rock. Also if nothing else it might give us some trade value later in the year if we are looking to get younger.

2) Levi Jones, yes he's 30, but he only has 7yrs in the league. If he can stay healthy he might be able to help out for another 2-3yrs. We definitly need to get another LT for him to help train and a bonified RT or two. Then take all the other O-lineman we have (who are young) and make them Guards and Centers. Definitly need to pick up a taller Center. Rabach gets bowled over too much and I hate seeing any QB behind him squating so low to take the ball.

3) Roger......wow. He's definitly not a shut down corner. Bites on the first move all the time and I'm not the only person to notice, during the Tampa game the announcers mentioned that very thing. He's great at bump and run and yet sucks at his job when giving a cushion. Blache should simply make him play bump and run the rest of the season. Eveyone else can play zone...Rogers I want you to play bump and run....stick to your man like glue. Otherwise sit him and let the younger guys get experience.

Wouldn’t it be great not to ever hear those words again when talking about the oline? I think Levi is a great midseason addition, I wish we had him months ago and had him start at Right tackle when Chris was still playing, but if we dont go after SEVERAL tackles in the first 4 rounds of the draft I will be disappointed. The problem is o-line players have shitty jersey sales compared to most other players, and its tough for snyder to make them first round picks. He learned that the hard way when he traded everything away to get Samuels years ago.


Campbell squats like that because of Zorn. Zorn forced him to do that last year. It doesn’t look natural to me at all either, but i guess Zorn should know whats hes talking about when it comes to QB play. I dont remember why but i remember Zorn wanting Jason to have a compressed stance. Apparently if you can dodge pads while attempting passes in practice and if you got a compressed stance you will light it up on Sundays. Not sure what JC's problem is.... oh wait a oline that will be great if only they can stay healthy.

Sorry dont want to be a downer, it was a great win, and for possibly the first time ever attending a game i wasnt blacked out and can recall most of the action. No 8 dollar beers for me Mr. Snyder!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

but if we dont go after SEVERAL tackles in the first 4 rounds of the draft I will be disappointed.

How many will it take for you, 3? Because I believe that's how many picks we have in the top 4 rounds. We do have other needs...

Campbell squats like that because of Zorn. Zorn forced him to do that last year. It doesn’t look natural to me at all either, but i guess Zorn should know whats hes talking about when it comes to QB play. I dont remember why but i remember Zorn wanting Jason to have a compressed stance.

He wants him to be lower in the drop back. However what strikes me as funny is that when Zorn first came in I'm pretty sure that he said that Rabach needed to get his ass up higher so that Campbell didn't have to squat like that. So I'd think he'd have him starting higher and then lowering during the drop, but who knows.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

How many will it take for you, 3? Because I believe that's how many picks we have in the top 4 rounds. We do have other needs...


He wants him to be lower in the drop back. However what strikes me as funny is that when Zorn first came in I'm pretty sure that he said that Rabach needed to get his ass up higher so that Campbell didn't have to squat like that. So I'd think he'd have him starting higher and then lowering during the drop, but who knows.


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The lower stance is all about JC staying lower and keeping his knees bent so he's in a better position to throw, take off running, whatever. Zorn felt he was playing too tall previously. MK72

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Like the write up Smoot. A few things for me...

1) I'm not a fan favorite of Betts/Cartwright but the last two games I'll gladly eat crow. I said it once and will say it again....They both look good when in together, Betts blocking for Rock. Also if nothing else it might give us some trade value later in the year if we are looking to get younger.

2) Levi Jones, yes he's 30, but he only has 7yrs in the league. If he can stay healthy he might be able to help out for another 2-3yrs. We definitly need to get another LT for him to help train and a bonified RT or two. Then take all the other O-lineman we have (who are young) and make them Guards and Centers. Definitly need to pick up a taller Center. Rabach gets bowled over too much and I hate seeing any QB behind him squating so low to take the ball.

3) Roger......wow. He's definitly not a shut down corner. Bites on the first move all the time and I'm not the only person to notice, during the Tampa game the announcers mentioned that very thing. He's great at bump and run and yet sucks at his job when giving a cushion. Blache should simply make him play bump and run the rest of the season. Eveyone else can play zone...Rogers I want you to play bump and run....stick to your man like glue. Otherwise sit him and let the younger guys get experience.

Did you watch Betts the one year he started, all he does is produce when he starts.

[FRPLG]

I concur strongly.

I am conflicted on JC. He flashes between pretty damn good and totally under-performing. There's no middle ground. It seems to be a function of his accuracy mostly. Or maybe his accuracy is a function of the unevenness. Either way he seems to go on stretches where he can't do much right. Then he have a stretch where he makes plays and can't miss. He's got to find his happy place and live in it. Forget the pressure and just be a big boy out there.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I concur strongly.

I am conflicted on JC. He flashes between pretty damn good and totally under-performing. There's no middle ground. It seems to be a function of his accuracy mostly. Or maybe his accuracy is a function of the unevenness. Either way he seems to go on stretches where he can't do much right. Then he have a stretch where he makes plays and can't miss. He's got to find his happy place and live in it. Forget the pressure and just be a big boy out there.

Agreed...most people didn't see the first drive of the game, and I don't know what happened to that Jason Campbell for the rest of the game. Now that we have a running game back, Jason needs to realize that we're not asking him to put the team on his shoulders and win the game. The Redskins have always been a running team, and we just need him to compliment the running game.