Post Email: Noble Gains Confidence

[CRT3]

I can't believe you guys complain about a player when our team is finally shutting down a teams running game. Give me break. Those guys have played awsome. Did you think those tackles are actually taken up the linemans blocks and allowing the linebackers and the safties the oppurtunity for tackles. Watch and know football and then comment. And to the comment that the ball was thrown in Nobles groin, be real dude, he slapped the ball with his hand and he was 10 feet from the QB. WATCH PLEASE

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by CRT3

I can't believe you guys complain about a player when our team is finally shutting down a teams running game. Give me break. Those guys have played awsome. Did you think those tackles are actually taken up the linemans blocks and allowing the linebackers and the safties the opportunity for tackles. Watch and know football and then comment. And to the comment that the ball was thrown in Nobles groin, be real dude, he slapped the ball with his hand and he was 10 feet from the QB. WATCH PLEASE

90% of the threads that are posted on this website are "punk protests" about individual players who they feel should be replaced for one reason or another. You sir , probably have never played the game otherthan on your television screen. Save your armchair analysis and comments to yourself. Because last I checked, not one person on this website has a superior knowledge on any given subject. If they think they do, they should apply online for a "Redskins Dream Job."

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

90% of the threads that are posted on this website are "punk protests" about individual players who they feel should be replaced for one reason or another. You sir , probably have never played the game otherthan on your television screen. Save your armchair analysis and comments to yourself. Because last I checked, not one person on this website has a superior knowledge on any given subject. If they think they do, they should apply online for a "Redskins Dream Job."

so you think everyone knows as much about football as joecrisp or curmudgeon???

sorry, but that's wrong, we got some people here who know a lot more than most casual fans.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

90% of the threads that are posted on this website are "punk protests" about individual players who they feel should be replaced for one reason or another. You sir , probably have never played the game otherthan on your television screen. Save your armchair analysis and comments to yourself. Because last I checked, not one person on this website has a superior knowledge on any given subject. If they think they do, they should apply online for a "Redskins Dream Job."

Well I think I have superior knowledge on alot of subjects. I don't ever say I have superior knowledge on the Redskins though. I predicted 16-0 but they quickly have shot down that prediction. But I do have a little knowledge on technique and tactics of a football game. Not a tremendous amount but enough that I can accuratly say IT IS MORE THEN YOU.

Are you trying to say that our defense is not playing awsome? I stated that right? Are you trying to disagree with me on the fact that our interior linemen have taken up blockers so as to allow the backers and safties to attack the ball? Do you really think the ball was thrown at Nobles nuts? Please answer my questions with legitmate answers. Otherwise go root for the Cowgirls or maybe you are a Eagles fan?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I think Griffin's outstanding performance thus far is due in large part to the overachieving performances of Noble and Salave'a alongside him. Though all three players are "defensive tackles", Griffin's role is significantly different from that of the other two tackles. Noble and Salave'a are nose tackles, occupying the center and guard, and providing Griffin-- who generally plays the more athletic 3-technique-- with an easier path into the backfield. Since most blocking schemes are designed to double-team the nose tackle with the guard and center, it is the duty of the nose tackle to keep those blockers occupied, and prevent them from sliding off and blocking Griffin. This allows Griffin, as well as the other front-seven defenders, to penetrate and make plays. Thus, the statistical performance of those defenders is largely a product of how well the nose tackle is doing his job-- which generally doesn't reward him with eye-popping stats of his own.

That's not to say that Noble or Salave'a are great defensive tackles. They're quietly effective at performing their assigned duty, which is to provide the more physically talented tackle next to them with more opportunities to make plays. You'll never see these guys racking up lots of sacks or tackles, but I'm sure if you asked Greg Blache, Gregg Williams or Cornelius Griffin, they'd tell you that Noble and Salave'a are a big reason why this defense is doing so well.

I disagree. I know what a nose tackle is and I think Williams and Blache would point to Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Ron Warner and Demetric Evans for the success of the line. When I think of the epidemy of a nose tackle, I think of Dave Butz. Big, not physically agile but successful at beating his man. Defensive Tackles are not called that for the purpose of occupying the center and the guard so that the Defensive End can get to the backfield. Their job intels getting to the QB and stopping the run. More than often the defensive tackles have to beat the man in front of him. They are given assignments on the man that they are lined-up in front of and the success at the line depends on the individuals effort to beat his man.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

I disagree..

Ah, yes. I thought you would. Perhaps you would be more agreeable to the opinion of "an experienced coach," rather than an "enlightened fan":

http://www.thewarpath.net/camp04/Blache.mp3

In case you don't feel like listening to the clip:

Greg Blache on the differences between nose tackles and 3-techniques:

"Your 3-technique is more of a pass rush, more of an athletic type of tackle. Your nose tackle is more of a run player, he's the anchor, he's the focal point of the defense. You want to force them to have to block him with two people; mathematically you start a domino effect if they've got to block him with two people to run the ball inside. If you can do that, then everything else kind of stems off of that.

But your 3-technique is definitely much more of a playmaker, whereas your nose, your shade, is more of an anchor guy."

Blache on which particular players fit into those different roles:

"Right now, Joe Salave'a and Brandon Noble are more true nose tackles. Jermaine Haley's a little bit of each; he can play the "3", he can play the nose. Joe Salave'a can play the "3" in a clutch, and Brandon's smart enough to be able to line up there and do it, but those guys are concentrating more at the nose."

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

Ah, yes. I thought you would. Perhaps you would be more agreeable to the opinion of "an experienced coach," rather than an "enlightened fan":

http://www.thewarpath.net/camp04/Blache.mp3

In case you don't feel like listening to the clip:

Greg Blache on the differences between nose tackles and 3-techniques:

"Your 3-technique is more of a pass rush, more of an athletic type of tackle. Your nose tackle is more of a run player, he's the anchor, he's the focal point of the defense. You want to force them to have to block him with two people; mathematically you start a domino effect if they've got to block him with two people to run the ball inside. If you can do that, then everything else kind of stems off of that.

But your 3-technique is definitely much more of a playmaker, whereas your nose, your shade, is more of an anchor guy."

Blache on which particular players fit into those different roles:

"Right now, Joe Salave'a and Brandon Noble are more true nose tackles. Jermaine Haley's a little bit of each; he can play the "3", he can play the nose. Joe Salave'a can play the "3" in a clutch, and Brandon's smart enough to be able to line up there and do it, but those guys are concentrating more at the nose."

Yeah, that's what I thought. You used my comments concerning the experienced coach vs. the enlightened fan to support your point about Noble and Salave'a, but you didn't comment about my point which was that the defense should turn an INT into a TD. Your comment was , now we're asking the defense to score off of the turnover, like the defense isn't doing enough." After you mentioned that, Coach Blache commented extensively about his goal to have the defense turn INT'S or fumbles into TD's. His explanation being that given the history of the defense, it was happy to get the turnover, but not forseeing the possiblility to score with effective blocking. I would like for you to comment about this specific point since you didn't on that thread.

[MTK]

ouch, rack JC!

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ouch, rack JC!

Wow, are we cheerleading now? Read my response to JC. You might find it interesting.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Wow, are we cheerleading now? Read my response to JC. You might find it interesting.

I'm not rooting for anyone, I just thought JC had a pretty strong response especially on the nose tackle subject, which I see you didn't respond to at all.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

No matter what we would like to conceptualize in our minds, not one of us is superior in intellect or analysis because if we were we would be making a living at sports analysis and statistical data. Otherwise you like myself, are just a fan. Not an authority. Just a fan.

I disagree with your statement that everyone is equal... i just don't think its true, and you don't need to be the best stat guy or be pro to be good enough at it, or better than others... there's people here (like me, probably curmudgeon) that make more off bets than we lose, and thats definately a version of stat analysis FOR MONEY, even if its not a primary source of income.

Remember, being a pro at something doesn't mean you're good at it, it just means that you make money off it.

and it really did come off as sounding like you thought brunell wasn't to blame for not scoring points, but it was the D's fault for not putting up more scores...

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I disagree with your statement that everyone is equal... i just don't think its true, and you don't need to be the best stat guy or be pro to be good enough at it, or better than others... there's people here (like me, probably curmudgeon) that make more off bets than we lose, and thats definately a version of stat analysis FOR MONEY, even if its not a primary source of income.

Remember, being a pro at something doesn't mean you're good at it, it just means that you make money off it.

and it really did come off as sounding like you thought brunell wasn't to blame for not scoring points, but it was the D's fault for not putting up more scores...

Are you serious? Gambling and winning most of the time is no comparison to having a professional career as an Analyst of Statistics. If you think your'e a kind of pro at statistics because you've won a couple of thousand here and there , then I would encourage you to further your career on a grander scale. I'm sure you've lost more money with Skins than you've won, unless you betted against them.

It was not my intention to blame the defense for the inept performances of Brunell. I was suggesting another way to improve the scoring until the offense kicked in. It is clear that the offense is at rock bottom. I was taught in high school and in college that "the defense wins games." That is to say that turnovers should lead to scores. The Giants are +10 in turnovers and that's why their winning. Not because of the offense because the offense is Tiki Barber and Warner has struggled just like Brunell. When our offense comes off of the bye, we will see a different look at the long pass. Gibbs mentioned that he's working specifically on the long pass which means more big plays. Because the scaled down offense wasn't successful.

Who needs Denim Monger when there are Redskins Fans on this thread who refer to players on the team as 'trash or he sucks' as a serious point to be taken seriously. The

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Who needs Denim Monger when there are Redskins Fans on this thread who refer to players on the team as 'trash or he sucks' as a serious point to be taken seriously. The

SUNRA, did your message get cut off or is the "The" after "seriously" just a typo?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

SUNRA, did your message get cut off or is the "The" after "seriously" just a typo?

It was cut off. I'll finish my point a little later.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Who needs Denim Monger when there are Redskins Fans on this thread who refer to players on the team as 'trash or he sucks' as a serious point to be taken seriously. The

Kinda funny you started this thread with saying Noble needed to be cut based on the fact he's an ex-cowboy.

That ranks right up there with "Player X sucks" as a statement that is hard to take seriously too, don't you think?