The Worst of Vinny

[Dirtbag59]

The way he always tried to explain himself after the draft with best player available as to why he didn't draft O-Lineman when other positions of need were drafted in pairs. However to actually see the true "worst of Vinny" you need to look no further then the release fees for a handful of players past their prime. Bruce Allen has his work cut out for him if the CBA gets passed.

[maroonandblack30]

1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Duckett
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

3 of those were Gibbs moves and I think the Duckett deal was for a 2nd rounder.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

and the list goes on for me so the only thing i would add to that is
we need to do just the opposite trade a few of what we have for picks so
we can begin the process and do it the right way.

cousin vinny did a awesome job didn,t he,lol

[warpaint]

How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by warpaint

How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.

That's a good point. Zorn was his guy. He vouched for him and sold the idea of him as a HC to Danny. Then mid-way through his second season, Vinny publicly castrates him. Apparently he screamed at Zorn after games on more than one occasion. Not to mention how he intentionally didn't say Zorn's name in his departing press conference.

The in-fighting within the organization had apparently become out of control. You know what Vinny, Zorn was your guy.

Another point to mention- I know the hiring process after Gibbs retired was as much Danny as it was Vinny, but that was a total debacle.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?

I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.

To me that's more about his overall philosophy, not one single decision.

[over the mountain]

overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing, i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing, i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.

So what about Tampa barely breaking 80 mil to get Albert and they where the runners up in that whole Haynesworth sweepstakes. So what was that conversation like? I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE LIKE.....

DS: Well it looks like we can get him for 80 mil total.

VC: Why dont we go 92 mil thats the number he will wear.

DS: Thats more like it honey Oh Uh I mean Vinny

VC: Thanks I bet the press will just go crazy over this

DS: How about I one up you, do you remember member the amount of jerseys we sold when we made Adam Archuleta the highest payed safty in league history?

VC: I like were you are going with this Danny!

DS: Aha I've got it! 100million that would make him the highest payed Defenseive player in league history.

VC: Lets do it! You really are a Business Guru.

DS: You dont think he would talk to the press about the way we might possible miss use him? You remember Adam did.

VC: Never, just like the way I have an eye for evaluating coaching and player talent. My other eye is for evaluating personality why do you think they look like this.

DS: Alright.

VC: Besides what can go wrong. This year is a lock, I feel a Dynasty now you and I are running things.

DS: You are right now lets get DeANGELO'S agent on the line.

VC: Now this right here is going to be like taking candy from a baby!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warpaint

DS: You dont think he would talk to the press about the way we might possible miss use him? You remember Adam did.

heh

Hey, hey, hey — Albert has something to say*|*Warpath Confidential

“It’s very frustrating coming from Tennessee, going 10-0 [where] I kinda had the freedom to rush and get upfield and to pressure the quarterback,” said Haynesworth at his locker after the Giants loss. “It’s totally different than what I thought here. If they’d let us loose, it’d be a whole lot better. [At Tennessee] I just rushed and they let me go and we won a bunch of games and we was up there in the top two or three on defense and sacks. Maybe we need to try that here.”

Maybe they need to try a lot of things here, he said.

“I don’t think this team is that bad,” Haynesworth said. “Players ain’t that bad. The score, the record say that we’re horrible, but I’ve been around these guys a lot. I think they know how to play football. I just think we’re all going in different directions and we need somebody to lead us in the right direction. You can take that however you want to.”

[jamf]

Signing Haynesworth.
He is a brilliant talent but that contract could handcuff us for a very long time.


I changed my pick, I'm going with D.Hall. Too much money for him...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?

Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.

Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.

I guess we can say that move was semi-sucessful.