are we over rating our players?

murphy196 · 12-29-2009, 03:20 PM

To answer your question, YES he sucks!

SmootSmack · 12-29-2009, 03:19 PM

They've got Reed Doughty as their starting SS in the Pro Bowl

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GTripp0012 · 01-02-2010, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They've got Reed Doughty as their starting SS in the Pro Bowl

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All his positive value comes from the run game (by their film metrics), which, you know, makes sense.

franklinhimself · 12-29-2009, 03:29 PM

I like:
-That our two previous 7th rd picks are rated way ahead our our #6 overall pick in the safeties category-- can we please trade Landry's good for nothing me me me dumb ass?
-That in terms of position with all QBs, Campbell really isn't a bottom feeder, but middle of the pack guy who plays behind the worst line. Extra evidence that QB isn't our problem.
-Carter and Orakpo are in top 15
-Haynesworth's $100 million and his rep will surely outcompete what he does on the field, but he's in the top 5 NT/DT, and he was a huge reason why the Cowboys didn't convert those 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 plays. Go Big Al!

GusFrerotte · 12-31-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by franklinhimself

I like:
-That our two previous 7th rd picks are rated way ahead our our #6 overall pick in the safeties category-- can we please trade Landry's good for nothing me me me dumb ass?
-That in terms of position with all QBs, Campbell really isn't a bottom feeder, but middle of the pack guy who plays behind the worst line. Extra evidence that QB isn't our problem.
-Carter and Orakpo are in top 15
-Haynesworth's $100 million and his rep will surely outcompete what he does on the field, but he's in the top 5 NT/DT, and he was a huge reason why the Cowboys didn't convert those 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 plays. Go Big Al!

I think you need to rewatch the rematch with the Boys. JC looked good for a 3 game stretch with that supposedly shitty line then regressed against the Gmen and totally went to shit against the Boys last weekend. Can't blame the line for everything.

SouperMeister · 12-29-2009, 05:28 PM

Reed Doughty is the #1 rated safety against the run. He is easily our best tackling DB, and has progressed much more than Laron Landry, who is the most disappointing player on the entire roster IMO.

perez24 · 12-30-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Reed Doughty is the #1 rated safety against the run. He is easily our best tackling DB, and has progressed much more than Laron Landry, who is the most disappointing player on the entire roster IMO.

You and I might be the only 2 who think what you just wrote but I agree.

GusFrerotte · 12-31-2009, 07:34 PM

Campbell holds onto the damn ball too long for much of the time and then the protection breaks down more often than not. Campbell still can't scan the entire field in the little time the average NFL QB has until the protection breaks down. Our line has really only sucked monkey balls for 2009. It wasn't so bad in '08 an was a tad better when Gibbs was here with basically the same starting personnel.

mcarey032 · 01-01-2010, 10:37 AM

There are a few players who in many of the fans' minds are overrated. I think that we like to believe that many of the players can do the things that they did 3,4,5 years ago, but it just isn't the case anymore. Our O-line was good for a stretch, but injuries and age has caught them and it has really put our offense in a terrible bind! The defense has been good for a stretch, but we don't have the playmakers who get turnovers and make this defense from a very good defense to a great defense. We like to think that having Rogers, Smoot, Hall, Haynesworth, Carter et al. will win us games, but when it comes down to it they have given up plays.

On the offense, when we are supposed to be beating teams with bad rush defenses or bad pass defenses, we can never do it and we usually use the 05 and 07 seasons as barometers to do so. We need upgrades and this rebuiliding process isn't going to be like the Dolphins or Falcons where it will turn around in a year, we are going to have to have some significant time to turn around. It will take about 2-3 years possibly before we start seeing real results. That is of course if Dan doesn't hire a new coach before then.

skinsfan69 · 01-01-2010, 12:22 PM

most people on here and most fans over rate our players. we've had this core group of guys for a while. jc, cooley, moss, are, rabach, samuels, portis, thomas, sellers, griff, carter, goldston, daniels, rogers, rocky, rock c. and so on. the bottom line is we've won one playoff game with this group and that's it. add in a 5 and 4 win season. it's time to blow it up and start over with the young guys.

12-29-2009, 03:19 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: are we over rating our players? They've got Reed Doughty as their starting SS in the Pro Bowl ProFootballFocus.com - Articles __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-29-2009, 03:29 PM	#4
franklinhimself Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110	Re: are we over rating our players? I like: -That our two previous 7th rd picks are rated way ahead our our #6 overall pick in the safeties category-- can we please trade Landry's good for nothing me me me dumb ass? -That in terms of position with all QBs, Campbell really isn't a bottom feeder, but middle of the pack guy who plays behind the worst line. Extra evidence that QB isn't our problem. -Carter and Orakpo are in top 15 -Haynesworth's $100 million and his rep will surely outcompete what he does on the field, but he's in the top 5 NT/DT, and he was a huge reason why the Cowboys didn't convert those 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 plays. Go Big Al!

12-31-2009, 07:34 PM	#8
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: are we over rating our players? Campbell holds onto the damn ball too long for much of the time and then the protection breaks down more often than not. Campbell still can't scan the entire field in the little time the average NFL QB has until the protection breaks down. Our line has really only sucked monkey balls for 2009. It wasn't so bad in '08 an was a tad better when Gibbs was here with basically the same starting personnel.

01-01-2010, 10:37 AM	#9
mcarey032 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 215	Re: are we over rating our players? There are a few players who in many of the fans' minds are overrated. I think that we like to believe that many of the players can do the things that they did 3,4,5 years ago, but it just isn't the case anymore. Our O-line was good for a stretch, but injuries and age has caught them and it has really put our offense in a terrible bind! The defense has been good for a stretch, but we don't have the playmakers who get turnovers and make this defense from a very good defense to a great defense. We like to think that having Rogers, Smoot, Hall, Haynesworth, Carter et al. will win us games, but when it comes down to it they have given up plays. On the offense, when we are supposed to be beating teams with bad rush defenses or bad pass defenses, we can never do it and we usually use the 05 and 07 seasons as barometers to do so. We need upgrades and this rebuiliding process isn't going to be like the Dolphins or Falcons where it will turn around in a year, we are going to have to have some significant time to turn around. It will take about 2-3 years possibly before we start seeing real results. That is of course if Dan doesn't hire a new coach before then.

01-01-2010, 12:22 PM	#10
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: are we over rating our players? most people on here and most fans over rate our players. we've had this core group of guys for a while. jc, cooley, moss, are, rabach, samuels, portis, thomas, sellers, griff, carter, goldston, daniels, rogers, rocky, rock c. and so on. the bottom line is we've won one playoff game with this group and that's it. add in a 5 and 4 win season. it's time to blow it up and start over with the young guys.

12-29-2009, 03:20 PM	#1
murphy196 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 165	Re: are we over rating our players? To answer your question, YES he sucks!

12-29-2009, 05:28 PM	#6
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: are we over rating our players? Reed Doughty is the #1 rated safety against the run. He is easily our best tackling DB, and has progressed much more than Laron Landry, who is the most disappointing player on the entire roster IMO.

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