Team was not prepared for "situational football"

[rickmmrr]

This entire mess is the little general's (Snyders) fault. Who the hell hires an OC and a DC before they hire a HC. That is totally laughable. And he did it after spending 4 years with Joe Gibbs. He learned nothing in 8 years. It finally took this complete total embarrassment of the franchise to wake his ass up. That is unbelievable.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

this is exactly why i don't understand why there's a thank you jim zorn thread on this site. zorn was a complete joke as a head coach. he may be a "nice guy" but there's no reason to thank him for anything.

Nothing wrong with thanking a guy for his hard work and dedication. Obviously he was in over his head as head coach but that wasn't his fault. Gotta fault the guy that put him in that position to begin with.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Nothing wrong with thanking a guy for his hard work and dedication. Obviously he was in over his head as head coach but that wasn't his fault. Gotta fault the guy that put him in that position to begin with.

Agreed. If they hired me to be HC and I went 4-12, don't blame me, blame the moron that put me there.

[Dirtbag59]

I'm getting a deja vu from the Spurrier era. It's amazing how similar these last two years have been to 2002-2003.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm getting a deja vu from the Spurrier era. It's amazing how similar these last two years have been to 2002-2003.

The spurrier years came to mind for me too, but Zorn far & away outcoached the OBC. The end of Spurrier's 2nd year was pure disaster, the team really seemed to give up. Zorn at least got his guys to pay some really tough games(NO, Dallas, Philly, SD) only to lose.

I don't think Spurrier was ever undermined quite like Zorn was. By october the reports of Shanahan coming here were out there.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

snyder didnt hire zorn. cerrato did. if we should be thanking anyone for this debacle forcing snyder to finally change the organizational structure its cerrato. it was his decision to hire cerrato which brought all this on.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I found this tidbit to be pretty interesting:



Disappointing to hear something like this. Probably not surprising as Zorn was clearly tossed into the deep end of the pool, but I think it explains a lot as far as what we saw on the field these past 2 seasons.

This is very interesting indeed. And I'll bet it was not just Zorn and the offense that didn't prioritize situational football, the defense neglected it too. We couldn't hold on to a single lead when it mattered.

[tryfuhl]

Yeah it seemed fairly obvious that we weren't prepared situationally and I'd even go as far to put one of those situations as the opponent we were getting ready to face.

[The Goat]

Personally I'm sick of hearing folks piss on Zorn. I understand white-hot anger during a game and even through a season where the team repeatedly got embarrassed, but reality is Snyder/Cerratto created this mess when Gibbs quite. We had great coaching talent in Williams/Saunders but the ownership decided to take a big risk on a totally unproven guy. Hopefully lil D has really learned something.

...I actually thought of starting a thread about Snyder's first decade of ownership that nominates him for biggest failure in sports. I mean it's really shocking overall. A guy who tookover a proud franchise, openly boasted that championships were the clear expectation and spent as much as possible to make it happen. He's a complete failure by every standard imaginable including his own, as at this point he's run the franchise right into the ground.

I hope Snyder lets Allen really run the team now and gives him enough time to turn things around...

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Personally I'm sick of hearing folks piss on Zorn. I understand white-hot anger during a game and even through a season where the team repeatedly got embarrassed, but reality is Snyder/Cerratto created this mess when Gibbs quite. We had great coaching talent in Williams/Saunders but the ownership decided to take a big risk on a totally unproven guy. Hopefully lil D has really learned something.

...I actually thought of starting a thread about Snyder's first decade of ownership that nominates him for biggest failure in sports. I mean it's really shocking overall. A guy who tookover a proud franchise, openly boasted that championships were the clear expectation and spent as much as possible to make it happen. He's a complete failure by every standard imaginable including his own, as at this point he's run the franchise right into the ground.

I hope Snyder lets Allen really run the team now and gives him enough time to turn things around...

I am also sick of people always giving Joe Gibbs a free pass for some of the things he did here during his second stint with the team.

[SmootSmack]

Steelers had great coaching talent in Whisenhunt/Grimm and went with the unproven Tomlin. Good for them that it worked out well.

Not sure how saying championships were the clear expectation and spending what's necessary to make it happen makes someone the worst owner ever. What owner isn't going to say championships are the expectation?

But whatever, we haven't won and until we do (even when we do) there will be complaints

[53Fan]

It's not that Snyder wants championships or spends money on the team, it's that he has repeatedly tried it his way when their are obvious examples around the league on how a team should be run and he has chosen to ignore them to satisfy his own ego. When a majority of the league has a GM who runs the team, well...they can't all be wrong. I don't doubt Snyders love for the team, but I do question his judgement and his opinion of himself as far as calling the shots with personell and making sound football decisions. And just like the coach has to take responsibility, he has to take some of the responsibility of the performance of this team the last 10 years because he has chosen to be heavily involved in the decision making.

[The Goat]

I wonder how much Jones' success as GM chaps Snyder's ass?

[SmootSmack]

I don't think that what Snyder has done is all that different from the rest of the league or even our own history. In fact, I know it's not. But I can accept that as a critique of him. If nothing else, because he's been doing it with the wrong people. I mean that's totally valid.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think that what Snyder has done is all that different from the rest of the league or even our own history. In fact, I know it's not. But I can accept that as a critique of him. If nothing else, because he's been doing it with the wrong people. I mean that's totally valid.

I'm not trying to out and out bash him, just saying he should share in the responsibility of the last 10 years for the decisions he has made. I think his decision to hire a GM is one of the best he's made since he's owned the team.