Jimmy Clausen has met with the Redskins

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by murphy196

Yeah, I mean that has to be the dumbest post I've ever read on here.

I started 3 posts in reply to Mechanix post and had to scratch each one. They would have came off mean spirited.

Some one who still thinks JC can be a franchise QB. Hmmm. Someone who thinks we should spend all our draft picks on OL and look to pick up our franchise QB in later rounds. Hmmm.

Then he mentions Clausen has small hands. Aren't college balls bigger in circumference vs. NFL balls?

As I said before just don't take him to get one of those large burgers or it will make his hands look even smaller.

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

What do you propose we give up to get a pick high enough to get Locker next year? Especially if you figure a good line will pull us to a .500ish team

Yeah, so by his reasoning, we will go get a good O-line and then we will finish with the worst record, so we could have the #1 pick in order to draft Locker.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

What do you propose we give up to get a pick high enough to get Locker next year? Especially if you figure a good line will pull us to a .500ish team

Locker will be a catch 22. If he's good enough to be a franchise QB we'll probably be out of reasonable range to get him, if he falls to us next year then it will be like "why would we want you, no one else did." Locker scares me though, I keep on thinking of him as a white Michael Vick....without the dog fighting and other stuff.

Originally Posted by murphy196

Yeah, so by his reasoning, we will go get a good O-line and then we will finish with the worst record, so we could have the #1 pick in order to draft Locker.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

What do you propose we give up to get a pick high enough to get Locker next year? Especially if you figure a good line will pull us to a .500ish team

We will be sub .500 next year. New coach and scheme, new defense, none of his players yet. I believe Shanny will bring us a SB eventually, but next year, I wouldn't be suprised if we won 4 games.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree. I just do not know why, if we are so hell bent on getting a young QB THIS draft,(still thinking ALL OLine in the first 2 rounds this year, and Locker for next year) we wouldnt trade down a bit in the second round a pick up Pike for a bargain, enabling us to get Okung as a cornerstone for him next year after he develops behind JC for a year. But drafting Okung and then trading up 6 or seven spots from our 2nd round pick and grabbing Campbell, cementing one whole side of our OLine for years to come that still looks like the way to go from my point of view. Then you can still at least give JC his one additional chance, as everyone seems to want to give him a mulligan due to line issues for last season, and still have the option for Locker next offseason.

I agree with you on Locker. I would rather have him than Clausen or Bradford. However, haven't you noticed how much his stock has risen since he decided to stay in school? Now they're projecting him to be the number one pick of next years draft. With Shannahan coaching, there's no way we'll be in a position to draft him.

[Mechanix544]

BTW, anyone heard how small Clausens hands are????? measured at just over 9 inches, alot tinier than anyone else in his comparable situation. that is not a good thing.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

BTW, anyone heard how small Clausens hands are????? measured at just over 9 inches, alot tinier than anyone else in his comparable situation. that is not a good thing.

Ok, so we've confirmed that he isn't perfect. Now what does the film say about him? Thats what matters. Terrell Suggs had a horrible 40 time, hasn't stopped him from being a productive player. I'm pretty sure there are a thousand other examples but the combine is very overrated.

Thats the thing that scares me about Bruce Campbell. Guy impresses everyone in the drills and now suddenly everyone wants him. I mean I want him to but thats because of what I've seen of him on film. not the fact that he's over 300 pounds and below 10% or 12% body fat.

By the by:

No, they're not the same size. An NFL football is longer and skinnier than an NCAA (college) football.

NFL footballs are therefore easier to pass while NCAA footballs are easier to kick. Most QBs find the transition (in football size) from college to pro an easy one to make.

If he can grip a college ball then gripping a pro ball will be no problem.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Ok, so we've confirmed that he isn't perfect. Now what does the film say about him? Thats what matters. Terrell Suggs had a horrible 40 time, hasn't stopped him from being a productive player. I'm pretty sure there are a thousand other examples but the combine is very overrated.

Thats the thing that scares me about Bruce Campbell. Guy impresses everyone in the drills and now suddenly everyone wants him. I mean I want him to but thats because of what I've seen of him on film. not the fact that he's over 300 pounds and below 10% or 12% body fat.

By the by:


If he can grip a college ball then gripping a pro ball will be no problem.

What are you talking about? Pro footballs aren't thinner than NFL balls!!! And small hands don't matter huh? Do you remember Danny "Woeful"? Guy had to wear gloves all the time. I don't see why the big hangup with Bradford/Clausen. A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB. There is around a dozen QBs available that have the potential to become solid pros. I rather build a great line and then draft a kid from a second tier school than waste a first round pick and not properly address the o line. Our first two picks should be o linemen. Samuels and Thomas need to retire.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What are you talking about? Pro footballs aren't thinner than NFL balls!!! And small hands don't matter huh? Do you remember Danny "Woeful"? Guy had to wear gloves all the time. I don't see why the big hangup with Bradford/Clausen. A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB. There is around a dozen QBs available that have the potential to become solid pros. I rather build a great line and then draft a kid from a second tier school than waste a first round pick and not properly address the o line. Our first two picks should be o linemen. Samuels and Thomas need to retire.

Then come out and say that. No need to go into how important hand size is. I've seen it before, some people would just rather have Okung so any imperfection of other potential prospects gets blown up.

By the way which teams that have won the Super Bowl as of late had a dominant O-Line with multiple first rounders?

I've said this before but it's worth repeating. We had two bookend Tackles from 2000-early 2008 and a record below .500. In the end if Shanahan comes away thinking that Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB we HAVE to take him.

A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB.

History says no. If you luck out then in 2 or 3 years you MIGHT get Matt Schuab (a third rounder btw) but chances are you'll end up with Charlie Frye and thats if you get a hit.

It's wrong to patronize the draft a QB crowd (a crowd that I am not exactly a part of) with "oh you could still get your QB after round 1" The QB crowd would have a much easier time turning around and telling you that we could easily find a great tackle in round 4. In part because the starting LT of the Super Bowl champions is a 4th round draft pick as is the best guard in the game.

One more thing directed towards the "don't draft a QB crowd." What were your thoughts on the QB we drafted in 2005 on draft day?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Then come out and say that. No need to go into how important hand size is. I've seen it before, some people would just rather have Okung so any imperfection of other potential prospects gets blown up.

By the way which teams that have won the Super Bowl as of late had a dominant O-Line with multiple first rounders?

I've said this before but it's worth repeating. We had two bookend Tackles from 2000-early 2008 and a record below .500. In the end if Shanahan comes away thinking that Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB we HAVE to take him.

Dude hand size isn't important, but a pro ball is thicker than a NCAA ball. The Danny Woeful thing was for fun. I am just playing. Same thing with Jimmy and his "hogs". I am sure USC Qbs take pics with anybody that asks. Just is crazy that Clausen is the only one with ugly gals.

History says no. If you luck out then in 2 or 3 years you MIGHT get Matt Schuab (a third rounder btw) but chances are you'll end up with Charlie Frye and thats if you get a hit.

It's wrong to patronize the draft a QB crowd (a crowd that I am not exactly a part of) with "oh you could still get your QB after round 1" The QB crowd would have a much easier time turning around and telling you that we could easily find a great tackle in round 4. In part because the starting LT of the Super Bowl champions is a 4th round draft pick as is the best guard in the game.

One more thing directed towards the "don't draft a QB crowd." What were your thoughts on the QB we drafted in 2005 on draft day?

Dude the Danny Woeful thing was a total joke. I am playing. But a NFL ball is not thinner than a NCAA ball. I don't want Clausen as our QB, and the bit about his small hands was funny and just another BS reason for me not to want him. Not to mention that he can't get a pic on the net with some babes. God Damn Tebow's babe is smokin!!! And as for my thoughts about JC back in 2005? Like any draftee, it is a gamble, and to be honest I thought Gibbs took a gamble on JC. JC and his Auburn team were stacked with 2 first round RBs and one helluva O line. Was it JC or was it because he was flodded with talent around him? That is why I am not so sure about the likes of a Tebow or Bradford. The NFL is all about parity these days, unless you are lucky to be on one of the elite teams left in the league. We should keep JC because he has survived many systems and does seem to be getting better statistically. Plus you have to think Collins is toast. I don't trust MR Hawaii at all. He was a cheap gamble for sure.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What are you talking about? Pro footballs aren't thinner than NFL balls!!! And small hands don't matter huh? Do you remember Danny "Woeful"? Guy had to wear gloves all the time. I don't see why the big hangup with Bradford/Clausen. A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB. There is around a dozen QBs available that have the potential to become solid pros. I rather build a great line and then draft a kid from a second tier school than waste a first round pick and not properly address the o line. Our first two picks should be o linemen. Samuels and Thomas need to retire.

and this is where we differ.... I'd rather draft a QB that has more potential of becoming a franchise QB in a shorter amount of time and build the OL at the same time.

Honestly there is about only 2 worthy of that, Bradford and Clausen. Then there is a drop off to which the rest have physical characteristics that need to be worked on or changed. Lets look at it this way.... if your willing to forgo the QB position for OL and take a second tier QB then you might as well stay with JC. Which I know is what some of you want but I'm tired of second tier QB's or QB's that need a lot of coaching up. Lets get our franchise QB this draft since next year I have to expect us to do better then 4-12 which will push us farther down the draft poll and again getting stuck with second tier QB's that have to be coached up.

There is not much difference in the second tier QB's. All bring something different to the table but each will need to be coached up for a couple of years. Unless the staff is enamored with JC he's gone next year. Our coached up QB won't be ready if he's simply a second tier QB...look at JC, 6yrs in the league and we are still coaching him up.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

and this is where we differ.... I'd rather draft a QB that has more potential of becoming a franchise QB in a shorter amount of time and build the OL at the same time.

Honestly there is about only 2 worthy of that, Bradford and Clausen. Then there is a drop off to which the rest have physical characteristics that need to be worked on or changed. Lets look at it this way.... if your willing to forgo the QB position for OL and take a second tier QB then you might as well stay with JC. Which I know is what some of you want but I'm tired of second tier QB's or QB's that need a lot of coaching up. Lets get our franchise QB this draft since next year I have to expect us to do better then 4-12 which will push us farther down the draft poll and again getting stuck with second tier QB's that have to be coached up.

There is not much difference in the second tier QB's. All bring something different to the table but each will need to be coached up for a couple of years. Unless the staff is enamored with JC he's gone next year. Our coached up QB won't be ready if he's simply a second tier QB...look at JC, 6yrs in the league and we are still coaching him up.

I agree. Outside of Bradford or Clausen, I don't see anyone who would be an improvement on what we already have. I say draft a QB at #4 or make QB a very low priority.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

BTW, anyone heard how small Clausens hands are????? measured at just over 9 inches, alot tinier than anyone else in his comparable situation. that is not a good thing.

who cares.

but on a side note, you made me think of that commercial where a guy has those little, tiny hands.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

BTW, anyone heard how small Clausens hands are????? measured at just over 9 inches, alot tinier than anyone else in his comparable situation. that is not a good thing.

Has the small hands been a problem as of yet? Just don't take him to get a BK burger.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

BTW, anyone heard how small Clausens hands are????? measured at just over 9 inches, alot tinier than anyone else in his comparable situation. that is not a good thing.

Here let me help you out....

YouTube - BK's Tiny Hands Commercial