Arizona's New Immigration Law

[mlmpetert]

Its kind of like breathalyzer laws. If you get pulled over for a illegal u-turn or a non-dui related issues and then a officer has a suspicion to believe you have been drinking he can require you to take a breathalyzer, in VA. In VA you have to submit to breathalyzers as part of your agreement to hold a drivers license.

So this just requires non-citizens to carry documentation papers with them at all times, but citizens do not have to. As long as police cannot approach someone or detain them on suspicion of being illegal, and as long as citizens or people the police cannot verify are illegal are immediately sent on their way I got no beef with the law. If you get stopped for doing something wrong police should be able to verify someone’s right to live here.

I remember seeing this sign when i visited CA early this year:

stock photo - Caution:Illegal Immigrant Crossing

They dont put these signs up because there isnt a serious problem going on. These states have to do something.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Its kind of like breathalyzer laws. If you get pulled over for a illegal u-turn or a non-dui related issues and then a officer has a suspicion to believe you have been drinking he can require you to take a breathalyzer, in VA. In VA you have to submit to breathalyzers as part of your agreement to hold a drivers license.

So this just requires non-citizens to carry documentation papers with them at all times, but citizens do not have to. As long as police cannot approach someone or detain them on suspicion of being illegal, and as long as citizens or people the police cannot verify are illegal are immediately sent on their way I got no beef with the law. If you get stopped for doing something wrong police should be able to verify someone’s right to live here.

I remember seeing this sign when i visited CA early this year:

stock photo - Caution:Illegal Immigrant Crossing

They dont put these signs up because there isnt a serious problem going on. These states have to do something.

Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.

To the people living there, it was just as urgent then.

The majority of the residents approve of this law...yet not surprisingly, politicians living 2,000 miles away in D.C. think it's a bad idea.

When the President of the United States and Congress take the side of the lawbreakers over the safety of the citizens...

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.

Maybe AZ thought the Fed. Govt was going to enforce the federal laws back when Bush was in office, but now they dont believe that is the case. I also think they wanted to do it after the census, so even if this thing was in the works for a few years they would wait until the bulk of the census's where mailed back (April 15th i think). It also may be that the AZ economy is so bad the politicians need to appease their constituents (illegals cant vote) and the constant cry of "Theyre takin our jobs". Maybe all these crazy drug wars we have been hearing about in Mexico are starting to cross over into the US, and they want to stop that.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Well I live here in Phoenix and the illegal immigrant issue is a big problem. They are receiving benefits, food stamps and getting health coverage. I feel torn, as do many here in AZ, about this law. On one hand, I am all for getting control of the problem but I can also see the other side. Some law enforcement will certainly abuse this.

The way I see it, this is all that matters. I don't live in AZ so I really couldn't care less about their laws. If the people of AZ support it (which I guess is unclear right now, other than the bill becoming a law), then the opinions of people from other states don't mean jack IMO.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The way I see it, this is all that matters. I don't live in AZ so I really couldn't care less about their laws. If the people of AZ support it (which I guess is unclear right now, other than the bill becoming a law), then the opinions of people from other states don't mean jack IMO.

Well said and how have you been doing?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well said and how have you been doing?

I've been doing well, thanks. Just bought my first house in time for the tax credit.

[Monkeydad]

April 28, 2010 12:00 A.M.
How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens
Their practices are discriminatory, corrupt, and abusive.


Mexican president Felipe Calderón has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination, and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry the new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb, or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal-alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien-registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops, and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam, and prove they can provide their own health care.

Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal-alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

Law-enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal-alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration-enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.–based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal-alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing Republican governor Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “smash the state,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining, and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited (if any) private-property and employment rights.

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation, and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social-justice groups and the Catholic Church’s leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid, and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.

How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens - Michelle Malkin - National Review Online

[joethiesmanfan]

It means they are exactling revenge fot the killing of tehe big time good ole boy rancher. My question is was the murder drug related? Seems like if you have a ranch on the Mexico-U.S. border you could easily make a few million a week as a drug pass through. Money talks. It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, "if your suspected of being illegal". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, "if your suspected of being illegal". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.

while i generally agree and i dont like this law or any that unnecessarily expands police powers, i'm not sure that the "hey this infringes on my right to drive drunk" defense is the best argument to make.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

while i generally agree and i dont like this law or any that unnecessarily expands police powers, i'm not sure that the "hey this infringes on my right to drive drunk" defense is the best argument to make.

I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

It's the demographic bomb. I hate to say that word demographics out loud. It makes my fellow countrymen uneasy.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

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[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

This is the fact that anyone opposed to the law is voluntarily disregarding.