Bugel asks Ramsey to show something

4TH RING · 11-12-2004, 12:50 PM

Brunnell won the starting job in the preseason. Although Imo it had more to do with Ramsey looking bad. I'm disappointed in Ramsey because I think what Bugel said is right on. The whole world knows that Brunnell's best days as a QB are behind him. With the way he's been performing, Ramsey should be taking advantage of the situation. I think he hasn't shown enough to Gibbs to justify a change and that says a lot considering the way Brunnell is playing. Ramsey needs to step up already and make Gibbs at least think twice before naming Brunnell the starter.

Redskins_P · 11-12-2004, 01:20 PM

This is a live chat on the Washington Post.com........

Richmond, Va.: There are some comments out there from Bugel that Ramsey may be dogging it in practice or "not showing" anything. Have you heard anything like that? And if so, I thought the back-up only ran the scout team offense and had minimal to no snaps with the 1st team offense. How are you expected to thrive in that situation? Thanks.

Jason LaCanfora: I heard rumblings this week that Joe Bugel may have said something like that in a TV interview, but Ramsey real has no chance to show much given how few snaps he takes. He has been nothing but a modal citizen from what we can garner and Gibbs has raved about him. I also asked Gibbs this exact questiuon last Friday, wondering if there are things Patrick can still do in this limited role to show he has a better grasp of the offense than before, and Gibbs said he is in fact doing exactyl that, practicing hard, never complains, asks good questions of the coaches and Brunell, etc.
Now, I also know that Coach Bugel can be a lot more direct and brutally honest than Coach Gibbs tends to be, so there may be something to it, but if they thought Ramsey could give them a better chance to win no matter how bad he looked with the scout team, there is no doubt in my mind he would play. I think this issue is much larger than that and coems down to Brunell being a veteran and played very careful football taking no chances with turnovers. Even if he complets under 10 passes a game, Gibbs knows the D can keep it close and Portis can grind teams down. The fear is Ramsey makes a great play and then throws two big picks; they want consistnecy, even if it is consistently unproductive but does not result in turnovers, it seems.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

This is a live chat on the Washington Post.com........

Richmond, Va.: There are some comments out there from Bugel that Ramsey may be dogging it in practice or "not showing" anything. Have you heard anything like that? And if so, I thought the back-up only ran the scout team offense and had minimal to no snaps with the 1st team offense. How are you expected to thrive in that situation? Thanks.

Jason LaCanfora: I heard rumblings this week that Joe Bugel may have said something like that in a TV interview, but Ramsey real has no chance to show much given how few snaps he takes. He has been nothing but a modal citizen from what we can garner and Gibbs has raved about him. I also asked Gibbs this exact questiuon last Friday, wondering if there are things Patrick can still do in this limited role to show he has a better grasp of the offense than before, and Gibbs said he is in fact doing exactyl that, practicing hard, never complains, asks good questions of the coaches and Brunell, etc.
Now, I also know that Coach Bugel can be a lot more direct and brutally honest than Coach Gibbs tends to be, so there may be something to it, but if they thought Ramsey could give them a better chance to win no matter how bad he looked with the scout team, there is no doubt in my mind he would play. I think this issue is much larger than that and coems down to Brunell being a veteran and played very careful football taking no chances with turnovers. Even if he complets under 10 passes a game, Gibbs knows the D can keep it close and Portis can grind teams down. The fear is Ramsey makes a great play and then throws two big picks; they want consistnecy, even if it is consistently unproductive but does not result in turnovers, it seems.

Pretty good take on the situation in my opinion.

VTSkins897 · 11-12-2004, 03:24 PM

yes but even with the inconsistency you'd like to think our D can make up for it... we've already given up several TDs on offense. how much worse could it get? it must be something like everyone's saying with ramsey just not being ready i guess... only time will tell.

cpayne5 · 11-12-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skins009

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. Second Gibbs always stays loyal to his vets. Lets not forget that GIbbs and brunnel are buddy buddy, they got the whole religion thing in common and other stuff. ANd third and most importantly, this is Ramsey's first time in a NFL offense. I'm sure there has been some things that Ramsey had been slow to pick up on. He needs time. But he also needs experience.

Ramsey also has the whole 'religion thing' in common with Gibbs, but that has nothing to do with it anyways.

Charles Mann said that Ramsey is learning more standing on the sidelines listening to everything the coaching staff says about every plan than he would if he were on the field.

This whole situation might boil down to what one of the Fox guys said; Ramsey is still scared of Gibbs. Think about it. If you're nervous around somebody, you're gonna tighten up a bit. From what Matty said, Patrick isn't showing all he can do in practice, which goes with what I said above. If this is the case, it's really not a work ethic issue.

wolfeskins · 11-12-2004, 04:01 PM

great point skinsoo9 , it realy didn't sink in that ramsey , while starting in the nfl , was playing in a college system , not an nfl system. i had'nt realy thought of it that way before.

cpayne5 · 11-12-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who knows what Bugel is talking about exactly, I guess the message is he wants him to make the most of every opportunity he gets. He must not be doing something right if Bugel is asking him to step up.

The last time Bugel called someone out (Portis), he stepped up. Let's hope it happens again.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 04:14 PM

I still don't understand this thing about Ramsey being scared of Gibbs.

What the heck does that mean and what basis does someone have to make that statement??

Who said that anyway?

cpayne5 · 11-12-2004, 04:17 PM

I can't remember who said it. It was said as the broadcast was ending I believe. I don't necessarily think that he's scared in the traditional sense, but rather nervous.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 04:21 PM

I also agree that Ramsey is benefiting by being on the bench for a while. Back in the day QB's would sit for a good 3-4 seasons before they would play, and typically once they did get their shot they were much more productive than if they were tossed right in to the mix as a rookie.

Times have changed, now you have these high priced guys and teams can't afford to let them develop slowly. I wonder how many QB's are 'ruined' so to speak because they are rushed in to playing before they are ready.

I see people saying Ramsey isn't learning anything by not playing and I really disagree with that. He's learning the system, the terminology, he gets the mental reps during the game, he sees how Gibbs and Brunell interact and in turn he can get an idea of what will be expected of him. I really think he's going to be a better QB in the long run for having gone through a season like this. He's also learning that jobs aren't handed out, they need to be earned.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

I can't remember who said it. It was said as the broadcast was ending I believe. I don't necessarily think that he's scared in the traditional sense, but rather nervous.

ok that makes more sense

GoSkins! · 11-12-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skins009

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. ...

I wonder if Gibbs would stick with a guy like Farve? There is a guy who wins games, but definatly does not always play thing safe. He throws INT's but throws the TD's to win the game. I would just like to see if Ramsey can win the game where 14 pt's aren't enough. Not that Ramsey is Farve, but I think that using the current philosphy, Farve would be on the bench watching Brunnel.

Redskins8588 · 11-12-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I see people saying Ramsey isn't learning anything by not playing and I really disagree with that. He's learning the system, the terminology, he gets the mental reps during the game, he sees how Gibbs and Brunell interact and in turn he can get an idea of what will be expected of him. I really think he's going to be a better QB in the long run for having gone through a season like this. He's also learning that jobs aren't handed out, they need to be earned.

I agree with you, I have read an article by Troy Aikman about playing the position of QB and what he said IMO makes sense. He said something along the lines like no matter what team it is just about all the plays in the NFL are the same for every team, but where the difficulty that players have when they move from team to team is that the terminology used for a play will be different for the new team than it was on the previous team. Basicly saying that it is just learning the terminology for that system that is so hard on the players.

skinsguy · 11-12-2004, 04:55 PM

I agree with Matty. I think too many rookies get thrown into the fire much too soon and never have that chance to slowly develop into a more consistant QB. Sure, there are QBs that are able to adjust to the NFL and become top QBs before their time (Leftwich, Rosenwhatshisname from Pitt,Bulger), but I also think having a QB on the bench and getting all the mental stuff down and seeing how the coaches interact is a key to growth as a QB. Sure part of his learning is hands-on, but I don't think Ramsey being back-up this year is a bad thing for him. I'm also curious to know what Bugs meant by his comment of PR.

Daseal · 11-12-2004, 06:36 PM

He was in a college system scoring more points than this "proven NFL system." If he can score that many in a college system he should be able to excel in the pro system, right?

Ramsey's contract year is quickly approaching and he may not want to resign with the skins no matter how much money we offer. He's a competitor, he wants to play, and it wouldn't suprise me if he's given up since it seems obvious Gibbs is too stuck in his ways and not giving Ramsey any sort of real chance at starting.

11-12-2004, 04:17 PM	#24
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	I can't remember who said it. It was said as the broadcast was ending I believe. I don't necessarily think that he's scared in the traditional sense, but rather nervous. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

11-12-2004, 12:50 PM	#16
4TH RING Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 129	Brunnell won the starting job in the preseason. Although Imo it had more to do with Ramsey looking bad. I'm disappointed in Ramsey because I think what Bugel said is right on. The whole world knows that Brunnell's best days as a QB are behind him. With the way he's been performing, Ramsey should be taking advantage of the situation. I think he hasn't shown enough to Gibbs to justify a change and that says a lot considering the way Brunnell is playing. Ramsey needs to step up already and make Gibbs at least think twice before naming Brunnell the starter.

11-12-2004, 01:20 PM	#17
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	This is a live chat on the Washington Post.com........ Richmond, Va.: There are some comments out there from Bugel that Ramsey may be dogging it in practice or "not showing" anything. Have you heard anything like that? And if so, I thought the back-up only ran the scout team offense and had minimal to no snaps with the 1st team offense. How are you expected to thrive in that situation? Thanks. Jason LaCanfora: I heard rumblings this week that Joe Bugel may have said something like that in a TV interview, but Ramsey real has no chance to show much given how few snaps he takes. He has been nothing but a modal citizen from what we can garner and Gibbs has raved about him. I also asked Gibbs this exact questiuon last Friday, wondering if there are things Patrick can still do in this limited role to show he has a better grasp of the offense than before, and Gibbs said he is in fact doing exactyl that, practicing hard, never complains, asks good questions of the coaches and Brunell, etc. Now, I also know that Coach Bugel can be a lot more direct and brutally honest than Coach Gibbs tends to be, so there may be something to it, but if they thought Ramsey could give them a better chance to win no matter how bad he looked with the scout team, there is no doubt in my mind he would play. I think this issue is much larger than that and coems down to Brunell being a veteran and played very careful football taking no chances with turnovers. Even if he complets under 10 passes a game, Gibbs knows the D can keep it close and Portis can grind teams down. The fear is Ramsey makes a great play and then throws two big picks; they want consistnecy, even if it is consistently unproductive but does not result in turnovers, it seems.

11-12-2004, 03:24 PM	#19
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	yes but even with the inconsistency you'd like to think our D can make up for it... we've already given up several TDs on offense. how much worse could it get? it must be something like everyone's saying with ramsey just not being ready i guess... only time will tell.

11-12-2004, 04:01 PM	#21
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	great point skinsoo9 , it realy didn't sink in that ramsey , while starting in the nfl , was playing in a college system , not an nfl system. i had'nt realy thought of it that way before.

11-12-2004, 04:14 PM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I still don't understand this thing about Ramsey being scared of Gibbs. What the heck does that mean and what basis does someone have to make that statement?? Who said that anyway?

11-12-2004, 04:21 PM	#25
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I also agree that Ramsey is benefiting by being on the bench for a while. Back in the day QB's would sit for a good 3-4 seasons before they would play, and typically once they did get their shot they were much more productive than if they were tossed right in to the mix as a rookie. Times have changed, now you have these high priced guys and teams can't afford to let them develop slowly. I wonder how many QB's are 'ruined' so to speak because they are rushed in to playing before they are ready. I see people saying Ramsey isn't learning anything by not playing and I really disagree with that. He's learning the system, the terminology, he gets the mental reps during the game, he sees how Gibbs and Brunell interact and in turn he can get an idea of what will be expected of him. I really think he's going to be a better QB in the long run for having gone through a season like this. He's also learning that jobs aren't handed out, they need to be earned.

11-12-2004, 04:55 PM	#29
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I agree with Matty. I think too many rookies get thrown into the fire much too soon and never have that chance to slowly develop into a more consistant QB. Sure, there are QBs that are able to adjust to the NFL and become top QBs before their time (Leftwich, Rosenwhatshisname from Pitt,Bulger), but I also think having a QB on the bench and getting all the mental stuff down and seeing how the coaches interact is a key to growth as a QB. Sure part of his learning is hands-on, but I don't think Ramsey being back-up this year is a bad thing for him. I'm also curious to know what Bugs meant by his comment of PR.

11-12-2004, 06:36 PM	#30
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	He was in a college system scoring more points than this "proven NFL system." If he can score that many in a college system he should be able to excel in the pro system, right? Ramsey's contract year is quickly approaching and he may not want to resign with the skins no matter how much money we offer. He's a competitor, he wants to play, and it wouldn't suprise me if he's given up since it seems obvious Gibbs is too stuck in his ways and not giving Ramsey any sort of real chance at starting.

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