Cop Punches Student

[SolidSnake84]

You can't put your hands on a cop for any reason and not expect to get tasered or punched. Just like i agreed with that cop 2 years ago who tasered that old lady that was cursing and beating on him. To try and physically restrain her could have done worse damage than the taser.

A punch could have been excessive, but what else could he do other than taker her down or hit her with pepper spray or the taser....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

You can't put your hands on a cop for any reason and not expect to get tasered or punched. Just like i agreed with that cop 2 years ago who tasered that old lady that was cursing and beating on him. To try and physically restrain her could have done worse damage than the taser.

A punch could have been excessive, but what else could he do other than taker her down or hit her with pepper spray or the taser....

You noticed she did not get back in his face after that.

[Hog1]

He let his ego get in the way of good judgement. Both the ladies get assault on a cop and whatever else they...need. He gets reprimanded for being stupid. ALL is well, have a nice day..........

[mlmpetert]

This was flat out wrong and absolutely excessive. I used to be a huge Cops fan (the show) in my younger days. If you watch a rerun of the show back when the program began and compare it the most recent Saturday at 8pm version the attitudes and force employed by police have immensely changed. And its pretty disturbing.

Its had to completely blame the officers because it has to be the way they are trained. The tactics and styles have become much more aggressive. Im hoping that cameras in the hands of the people will start to change things and reduce the agressive styles taught in training.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This was flat out wrong and absolutely excessive. I used to be a huge Cops fan (the show) in my younger days. If you watch a rerun of the show back when the program began and compare it the most recent Saturday at 8pm version the attitudes and force employed by police have immensely changed. And its pretty disturbing.

Its had to completely blame the officers because it has to be the way they are trained. The tactics and styles have become much more aggressive. Im hoping that cameras in the hands of the people will start to change things and reduce the agressive styles taught in training.

Let me just say as society gets more violent and especially with police, the police have to be taught ways to deal with and control the violence. As someone else said... I never would have even thought of putting my hands on a cop growing up. God forbid you even had any type of contact. Let the officer bring me home and I would have gotten whooped for the officer having to deal with me.

Everyone has this nice pretty bubble they live in where people are all not breaking the law and going about their business. In reality as you see 95% of all the good in people, the cops are only seeing 95% of the bad in people. Imagine everyday and having to be on guard with everyone you come in contact with. Expecting them to hurt you in some manner. Something simple as the cop talking to the jaywalker and possibly giving him a warning or a summons turned into a lady arguing with the cop an getting arrested and a 17 y/o putting her hands on the cop who is trying to do his job then punches her.

Maybe society should be asking why can't cops be allowed to do their jobs with out arguing or fighting the officer?

It could have been totally different. The officer talks with the man and everyone walks away. Instead the women starts arguing which is obstructing the officers duty with the man and then proceeds to possibly incite a riot, but definitely she was acting in a disorderly manner.

[SolidSnake84]

For what it's worth, the Seattle Police Bureau or what its called is defending the officer's actions. They have seen and been reviewing the tapes and felt that the officer had to use physical force.

I felt the same way. I may have not hit the girl, but I would have maced her or used the tazer...they really are less damaging than physically beating someone.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

For what it's worth, the Seattle Police Bureau or what its called is defending the officer's actions. They have seen and been reviewing the tapes and felt that the officer had to use physical force.

I felt the same way. I may have not hit the girl, but I would have maced her or used the tazer...they really are less damaging than physically beating someone.

AND that is what he should done. By virtue that she was pushing him he had the right to respond, and subdue. Not sure a "haymaker" on a woman is hoyle in the law enforcement world.......

[Chico23231]

I think the officer force was a little excessive, but the bottomline is you shouldnt be putting your hands on the cop interferring and being aggressive. If she would have pulled a can of mace or knife from her pocketbook while in that close, the police officer's life could have been at risk. People need to stop acting stupid and think of consequences for once and think they can get away with acting like that. I stand behind the officer in this case, but he obviously needs more coaching or training about how to better handle that situation.

[Duffman003]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the officer force was a little excessive, but the bottomline is you shouldnt be putting your hands on the cop interferring and being aggressive. If she would have pulled a can of mace or knife from her pocketbook while in that close, the police officer's life could have been at risk. People need to stop acting stupid and think of consequences for once and think they can get away with acting like that. I stand behind the officer in this case, but he obviously needs more coaching or training about how to better handle that situation.

He needs a membership to the gym, too. He was having way too much trouble in trying to arrest that girl.

The officer and chicks should get in at least some trouble though and police should stop giving out jay walking tickets.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

He needs a membership to the gym, too. He was having way too much trouble in trying to arrest that girl.

The officer and chicks should get in at least some trouble though and police should stop giving out jay walking tickets.

I watched it again, and really think the officer actually was trying to not hurt the girl he was arresting. He outweighed her and up until the point that he actually twisted her arm behind her back, he was trying to not exert brute force. He was hoping she would calm down on her own. I noticed right at the end, that he did put her in a wrist lock once her arm was behind her back, which is standard protocol when escorting prisoners. (It was that way in the military, at least)

Still though, i am surprised why mace was not used....i think the punch on the 1st girl was self defense, a response to being angrily pushed, as he couldn't have honestly known what would happen next.

[joethiesmanfan]

hit a woman? interesting

[redsk1]

Yea, you don't put your hands on a cop period. Man or woman. They tend to get offensive when you do that.

[SBXVII]

I can tell you this.

#1- We don't know why he was dealing with the first juvenile, but "if" the officer had a legal reason to be dealing with that juvenile, then the second juvenile was obstructing his justice. Hopefully she was charged and possibly jailed as well.

#2- The two worse situations an officer can find himself in is a traffic stop. A lot of officers are killed walking up on a car and the second worse situation is a domestic where a husband or wife might try to defend their spouse. When it comes to juveniles there is no respect of the law. Only a few have it. The rest act just like this situation with their thinking that the police or anyone has no right to touch them. You can clearly hear the girls saying "you aint got no right to touch me." If she was breaking the law or about to break the law the officer has every right to put his hands on them. Kids don't get this. In this situation the girls friend tried to get involved and help get the officer off of her friend. That alone is against the law. Now the officer is in a bad spot with two females and a crowd of people he doesn't know and they are ganging up on him. No matter how you look at it if the officer felt, being the last line of the law, that his life was in danger based off of what they were saying and doing and possibly what they already had done... I don't have a problem with what he did. Plus I'm betting a jury wouldn't either.

I'll admit it looks bad, but when it get picked a part by the Commonwealth's Attorney, the officer did what came natural when he felt his life was in danger. Punches can be used as stunning techniques in order to gain control of the situation. Which is exactly what he did.

#3- For those wondering why he never called for back up.... perhaps it was on it's way. He might have been called to juveniles fighting and when he arrived he decided it was best to take that girl into custody first and all hell broke loose.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I can tell you this.

#1- We don't know why he was dealing with the first juvenile, but "if" the officer had a legal reason to be dealing with that juvenile, then the second juvenile was obstructing his justice. Hopefully she was charged and possibly jailed as well.

#2- The two worse situations an officer can find himself in is a traffic stop. A lot of officers are killed walking up on a car and the second worse situation is a domestic where a husband or wife might try to defend their spouse. When it comes to juveniles there is no respect of the law. Only a few have it. The rest act just like this situation with their thinking that the police or anyone has no right to touch them. You can clearly hear the girls saying "you aint got no right to touch me." If she was breaking the law or about to break the law the officer has every right to put his hands on them. Kids don't get this. In this situation the girls friend tried to get involved and help get the officer off of her friend. That alone is against the law. Now the officer is in a bad spot with two females and a crowd of people he doesn't know and they are ganging up on him. No matter how you look at it if the officer felt, being the last line of the law, that his life was in danger based off of what they were saying and doing and possibly what they already had done... I don't have a problem with what he did. Plus I'm betting a jury wouldn't either.

I'll admit it looks bad, but when it get picked a part by the Commonwealth's Attorney, the officer did what came natural when he felt his life was in danger. Punches can be used as stunning techniques in order to gain control of the situation. Which is exactly what he did.

#3- For those wondering why he never called for back up.... perhaps it was on it's way. He might have been called to juveniles fighting and when he arrived he decided it was best to take that girl into custody first and all hell broke loose.

Even if the officer was wrong dealing with the 1st juvenile the 2nd girl still should have stayed out of the way.

[DynamiteRave]

I think the punch was a bit too much and I think if anything he should maybe receive some sort of reprimand in his file or some sort of minor fine, but you don't get in the way of an officer trying to do his job. Period.

I mean the second chick (the one in the pink shirt who pushed the officer away) to me is just flat out stupid. No friend is worth me getting either 1) arrested or 2) getting my lights punched out over. Eff that, sorry girlfriend, you get arrested and you're on your own.