Don Banks Rips into the 'Skins

That Guy · 11-16-2004, 05:21 PM

mora hasn't been out of the nfl as long... so far our play calling on O hasn't been amazing... i'd give mora the edge in offensive playcalling (this year), cause he's taken what he has and made it work, we haven't yet...

sportscurmudgeon · 11-17-2004, 09:01 PM

Hail to The Redskins:

OK, I'll argue with you about this because sometimes you have to look beyond the first stats:

The Falcons are the ONLY team in the NFL to have two backs with more than 500 yards rushing at the moment. Vick happens to be one of them. And their #3 rusher is over 300 yards. The Falcons AVERAGE 5 yards per rushing play; that is 19% better than the Skins average per running play. So, I agree; Portis is a better RB than anything on the Falcons, but the Falcons have a much better overall running game than the Skins do. Or did I miss the fact that Portis is at 1500 yards rushing already?

What makes that running game effective in Atlanta? They have a much better OL than the Skins do. I completely agree with you that the injury to Jansen was devastating to this unit this year, but still, the Atlanta OL is better than the Skins'.

The Falcons have a poor pass defense (something like 28th in the league) but they have a good run defense.

BTW, the Redskins' defense that has all those gaudy stats has yet to score a TD - not a single one. The Falcons defense has put three TDs on the board.

You neglected to mention special teams. Redskins have scored ZERO on special teams this year and have given up a TD. Falcons have scored once on special teams and not given up a score.

With regard to the wide receivers, I agree that Coles is better than Price as the lead receiver. After that, it's a wash. I don't think Gardner is such a significant step up from White that it matters and frankly I like Finneran better than Thrash at #3.

And at tight end it is NO CONTEST. Crumpler will probably go to the Pro Bowl from the NFC. Cooley is a good young rookie.

The single biggest difference between the teams is at QB - as you suggest. Michael Vick is better than Brunell and Ramsey and Hasselbeck and Gibran Hambone (if they ever bring him back to the team) added together.

Gmanc711 · 11-17-2004, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

With regard to the wide receivers, I agree that Coles is better than Price as the lead receiver. After that, it's a wash. I don't think Gardner is such a significant step up from White that it matters and frankly I like Finneran better than Thrash at #3.

Really, this season, Coles just hasent been the same. I really think he needs some serious surgery in the offseason. He may still be better than Price, but hes not the same Coles as we saw before this injury.

SmootSmack · 11-17-2004, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

mora hasn't been out of the nfl as long... so far our play calling on O hasn't been amazing... i'd give mora the edge in offensive playcalling (this year), cause he's taken what he has and made it work, we haven't yet...

The Falcons coach isn't Jim "Playoffs?!?!" Mora, it's his son, head coaching for the first time ever

That Guy · 11-17-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

The Falcons coach isn't Jim "Playoffs?!?!" Mora, it's his son, head coaching for the first time ever

i know, but he's coached more recently in the nfl than gibbs has, even if not as a head coach... though having his father definately helps him out too...

SmootSmack · 11-17-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i know, but he's coached more recently in the nfl than gibbs has, even if not as a head coach... though having his father definately helps him out too...

Ah ok, I thought maybe you had confused the Moras.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-17-2004, 11:34 PM

Skins4SB:

You are correct. Here is where I got the Skins' team data for this year:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS

It has zero defensive TDs and zero return TDs - which I misinterpreted as special teams TDs. But if you add up the TDs for the Skins in their 4 categories, you'll find that there is one more in the team total and that is the one from the blocked kick.

Sorry about that.

Skins4SB · 11-17-2004, 09:16 PM

0 points off special teams? I'm pretty sure Harris scored a TD off a blocked punt by Jacobs. I think you meant via return. Look at what Thrash did alone in the Lions game. The Skins special teams(coverage wise) has been stepping up.

11-17-2004, 09:01 PM	#2
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Hail to The Redskins: OK, I'll argue with you about this because sometimes you have to look beyond the first stats: The Falcons are the ONLY team in the NFL to have two backs with more than 500 yards rushing at the moment. Vick happens to be one of them. And their #3 rusher is over 300 yards. The Falcons AVERAGE 5 yards per rushing play; that is 19% better than the Skins average per running play. So, I agree; Portis is a better RB than anything on the Falcons, but the Falcons have a much better overall running game than the Skins do. Or did I miss the fact that Portis is at 1500 yards rushing already? What makes that running game effective in Atlanta? They have a much better OL than the Skins do. I completely agree with you that the injury to Jansen was devastating to this unit this year, but still, the Atlanta OL is better than the Skins'. The Falcons have a poor pass defense (something like 28th in the league) but they have a good run defense. BTW, the Redskins' defense that has all those gaudy stats has yet to score a TD - not a single one. The Falcons defense has put three TDs on the board. You neglected to mention special teams. Redskins have scored ZERO on special teams this year and have given up a TD. Falcons have scored once on special teams and not given up a score. With regard to the wide receivers, I agree that Coles is better than Price as the lead receiver. After that, it's a wash. I don't think Gardner is such a significant step up from White that it matters and frankly I like Finneran better than Thrash at #3. And at tight end it is NO CONTEST. Crumpler will probably go to the Pro Bowl from the NFC. Cooley is a good young rookie. The single biggest difference between the teams is at QB - as you suggest. Michael Vick is better than Brunell and Ramsey and Hasselbeck and Gibran Hambone (if they ever bring him back to the team) added together. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-17-2004, 11:34 PM	#7
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Skins4SB: You are correct. Here is where I got the Skins' team data for this year: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS It has zero defensive TDs and zero return TDs - which I misinterpreted as special teams TDs. But if you add up the TDs for the Skins in their 4 categories, you'll find that there is one more in the team total and that is the one from the blocked kick. Sorry about that. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-16-2004, 05:21 PM	#1
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	mora hasn't been out of the nfl as long... so far our play calling on O hasn't been amazing... i'd give mora the edge in offensive playcalling (this year), cause he's taken what he has and made it work, we haven't yet...

11-17-2004, 09:16 PM	#8
Skins4SB Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 38	0 points off special teams? I'm pretty sure Harris scored a TD off a blocked punt by Jacobs. I think you meant via return. Look at what Thrash did alone in the Lions game. The Skins special teams(coverage wise) has been stepping up.

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