Managing the Cap

[MTK]

Cutting Ramsey would be pretty foolish considering he does have some trade value.

Speaking of cutting a QB, who thinks Brunell will be gone after June 1?

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Cutting Ramsey would be pretty foolish considering he does have some trade value.

Speaking of cutting a QB, who thinks Brunell will be gone after June 1?[/QUOT ]Redskins home page had a news artical titled For Burnell The End Isn't Near. The artical quotes Gibbs saying "he envisioned Burnell being part of the team for years". What will happen only time will tell.

[Shane]

"I disagree with the fact that it hasn't worked out," Gibbs said of Brunell. "We have a long ways to go here. His role in what he does here for the Redskins, we're going to find out over the next several years."

Asked if Brunell had a defined role with the team next year, Gibbs said, "I would say for several years."

Well I guess Brunell is here to stay. However, he is scheduled to be paid starter's money. Ramsey is now the starter and Brunell is at least a backup until we can get enough protection for him to revivify himself as a quarterback.

If it becomes clear that Brunell is going to be a backup, would he insist on getting the money, straining our cap, and forcing the release of other players? Could he look himself in the mirror and would he do that to Coach Gibbs and the fans? (Well maybe to the fans given the boos.) I don't think a straight up guy like Brunell would do that. Contract renegotiation is part of the deal these days. Contracts are signed that are understood to be more PR than things that are going to be honored. He could do it, but if hes a backup, he will take a pay cut.

[MTK]

The team might have some leverage with him in getting him to restructure.

After all, with the way he's played this year if we cut him who's going to pick him up to be a starter??

I have no problem with him staying as a backup. Let's just hope Ramsey can win the job with these last 7 games and leave no doubt in Gibbs' mind who should be the guy behind center next year and beyond.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

1. Trade Gardner before the draft or cut him after June 1st.

Trading or cutting him will save us $1.5M on the 2005 cap ($2.1M minus $660K dead cap). But I don't think there's any way we'd cut him and get nothing back in return. He's too valuable. I do agree he'll probably be traded. I was happy to see McCants last game, but was a little surprised it was at the expense of Gardner. Hopefully Rod hasn't moved down the depth chart. While I'd like our young guys to get more experience, it makes more sense to showcase Gardner's talents the rest of the season to boost his trade value. I think we could potentially get a 1st rounder for him, am I crazy? And while I agree trading him is probably the right move, I'd be sad to see him go just as he seems to be coming into his own.

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

2. Trade Samuels before the draft of cut him after June 1st (if he doesn't renegotiate). This would create around a 4 million dollar cap hit, but save us about 5 million dollars in cap room next year.

Samuels is a $9.6M cap hit in 2005, and $11.3M in 2006. He's got $5.8M of dead cap left after this year. I think keeping him in 2006 without a restructure would be impossible (plus he can void the year if he wants). There are a few options, but his situation is complicated. I think I'll start another thread on Samuels soon.

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

3. Cut Barrow after June 1st. This would save us 2 million in room in 2005, and cost us around a 2.25 million dollar hit in 2006.

Barrow's 2005 cap hit is $2.1M. Cutting/trading Barrow will create $2.1M in dead cap. As long as the guy can play, doesn't make much sense to cut him. Agreed, doing it after June 1 will push $1.7M onto 2006, but 2006 is our trouble year. My guess is that Barrow's back in 2005, assuming he can play.

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

4. Keep Brunell for one year, and then cut him after June 1, 2006. (I really hope he renegotiates) This would save us 5.4 million dollars in 2006 (which we will desperately need) and cost us about 4 million in dead cap room the following year.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

5. Cut Wynn after June 1st 2005 (if he doesn't renegotiate). This will save us about 4.5 million dollars in 2006 and the cap hit for 2007 will be less than 1 million dollars.

Wynn is a $4.1M cap hit in 2005, and I agree he'll probably be gone. He'll create $1.7M in dead cap, $1.2M of which can be pushed to 2006. Again I think we'll just eat it all in 2005.

[Redskins_P]

Thanks CC! Nice work....

[sportscurmudgeon]

Can we curb our irrational exuberance - to use Alan Greenspan's phrase - just a bit about the humongous trade value that we think might be there for Rod Gardner.

Here is a benchmark:

Terrell Owens cost the Eagles a second round draft pick and their #6 depth chart defensive end.

Can we agree that Owens is ever so slightly better than Gardner?

Can we agree that Owens with food poisoning and puking his guts out is Gardner's equivalent?

OK, so maybe Gardner can fetch the Skins a 5th round pick? Maybe a 4th if some team really - really - wants him? And you might get someone from the other team's practice squad too.

There you go. We trade Gardner to Tampa. They need a big WR now that Keyshawn is gone and we get their 4th round pick and Sultan McCullough back. Yeah. That's the missing piece to the puzzle...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

SC,

I think we'd be able to fetch a 2nd rounder for Gardner.

TO isn't the best example of how much WRs are worth on the open market. His deal was all screwed up. We paid a 1st rounder for Coles. I don't think TO is worth less than LC.

Also, remember that the Fins traded Ogunleye for Marty Booker and 3rd rounder. The Dolphins were expected to fetch a 1st rounder (and possibly a player) for Ogunleye. Marty Booker is a better wideout than Gardner, but he wasn't some fantasy stud - he was just a solid #1 wideout.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Terrell Owens cost the Eagles a second round draft pick and their #6 depth chart defensive end.

Agreed, but the sellers were more desperate than we would be.

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Can we agree that Owens is ever so slightly better than Gardner?

Can we agree that Owens with food poisoning and puking his guts out is Gardner's equivalent?

Agreed.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

OK, so maybe Gardner can fetch the Skins a 5th round pick?

I would think we could get more than a 5th round pick, in fact I'd rather keep him if that's all we could get. But you may be right SC, hoping for a 1st rounder might be a bit much. Guess I was wearing my burgundy-colored glasses.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

CrazyCanuck,

Thanks again for posting information about possible roster moves and their impact on the cap. The posts really help us see what is (not) feasible.

[SkinsRock]

I think Gardner has proven to Gibbs that he is a "Redskin" and will stick around. He is a very hard worker and has worked very hard to stop his drops. Yeah, he's still dropping some passes, but he's really not dropping any more than the other receivers have been. The entire offense has been out of synch. and hopefully, Ramsey can help get them out of the funk....even against the 8-1 PA teams...
But of course, if McCants get more playing time and looks good as the big posession WR, who knows....