Something to consider about the defenses performance

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by calia

I will say this: our D is last in the league, even though we have enough talent to avoid that distinction. We have a number of guys that would start on virtually any D in the league in Haynesworth (indeed, the Redskins may be the only team that wouldn't start him), Orakpo, Landry, and Fletcher. We also have a number of guys that could start for a number of teams, even if they're not stars, such as Rogers, Carter, McIntosh, Alexander, and Hall. While that leaves a number of folks (and most of our D line) in the "not very good" category, having 8 of 11 guys of reasonable quality -- even by NFL standards -- should not translate to a last-ranked D.

Bottom line: our coaching is clearly, clearly not helping -- whether it's the scheme, coaching up fundamentals, "cardiovascular endurance" (think AH's 3 minute nap in the 4th quarter v. the Eagles) or anything else is up to reasonable debate. That this unit is woefully underperforming is not.

I will only add that the fact our offense has been underperforming (last in NFL on 3rd down conversions, no consistent rushing game (or RB), no consistency in the receiving game (Cooley's hands are only marginally better than Carlos' at this point) does not help, of course. And the D's ability to create turnovers has kept us in and outright won some games. But giving up 415 yards/game will not get it done in this league. Ever.

My point on this is it usually all starts up front. When you dont have the guys up front, everyone else suffers. Now, some schemes, or plays he runs may be questionable. But honestly, the guy is doing what he can with what he has to work with. He literally has zero 3-4 lineman upfront. ZERO! And in my opinion, two LB's that fit. Fletcher and Orakpo. Other two are playing out of position.
with that said, i believe that is why he preached creating turnovers so much during camp. He knew we may struggle with giving up yards and preached stripping, allows people to maybe take a little more of risk in jumping routes.

Regarding Haynesworth, We are the only team in the NFL that knows how to screw that damn thing up. It is pathetic that we signed a guy that was the most dominant Dlineman in the game, and he can't get on the damn field. We absolutely are playing this hand the wrong way. The guy needs to be on the field as much as humanly possible. Put him on the ends, the middle, stand him up..what ever. His ass would be on the field, somewhere, creating problems. But Shanny is so damn egotistical and can't swallow some pride and let the dude play. Our Defense is dead freaking last in the NFL, what do you have to lose by letting the guy play all over the dline and create havoc!??!?! seems pretty damn stupid to me.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

My point on this is it usually all starts up front. When you dont have the guys up front, everyone else suffers. Now, some schemes, or plays he runs may be questionable. But honestly, the guy is doing what he can with what he has to work with. He literally has zero 3-4 lineman upfront. ZERO! And in my opinion, two LB's that fit. Fletcher and Orakpo. Other two are playing out of position.

But that's just the problem; the 3-4 isn't working, yet he has the personnel for a dominant 4-3. If all you've got is potatoes and carrots, quit trying to force hamburgers down people's throats and start making some stew!

[Dread-Skin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Our D is pretty much rated last what is there to figure out?

Boy if teams figure out our O then we are really in trouble.

Whats to figure out? our OL cant hold a rush of 4-5 . You can double Moss and shutdown our WR's, our RB's are too bruised/battered and if we fall behind early/often we will abandon the run.

Probably the smartest thing any team can do is contain Banks, keep pressure on McNabb and take away his only 2 targets (moss/cooley). Eventually, the skins will have to take 2-3 yard routes or dumpoffs and 3 and out it b/c we cant do squat on 3rd downs.

[JLee9718]

I think Haslett probably made a name for himself by the players he had on other teams, not for any special talent he has. I've seen the way he lines up his defenses and it's nothing like Rickie Petitbon did with less talent. You could see the impact that Petitbon had when the 'Skins always made defensive corrections at halftime that won games for them. All I see Haslett doing is standing pat with a defensive scheme that is giving up tons of yards. I've never seen a worse Redskins defense.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

I think Haslett probably made a name for himself by the players he had on other teams, not for any special talent he has. I've seen the way he lines up his defenses and it's nothing like Rickie Petitbon did with less talent. You could see the impact that Petitbon had when the 'Skins always made defensive corrections at halftime that won games for them. All I see Haslett doing is standing pat with a defensive scheme that is giving up tons of yards. I've never seen a worse Redskins defense.

That is exactly my issue with Haslett. It seems like we are always reacting and trying to put out fires as opposed dictating to the offense.

[MTK]

^^ Any thoughts on the nap he took on the field while Vick scrambled around forever?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^^ Any thoughts on the nap he took on the field while Vick scrambled around forever?

LOL - nope...
that speaks for itself. I just think him being on the field more, and moving him around the line would give him and the defense more oppotunities to make more plays. It is a fact that when he was consistanty on the field, he makes the other guys better. Proven his years in tennessee guys were having better years in terms of sacks and negative plays. As well as here, when he played consistantly. WHEN being the key word. But happy players are better players. that has been proven throughout the NFL. He is our most dominant player on the front line. Like i said, what does this defense have to lose by playing him more? in my eyes nothing, it couldn't get any worse.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^^ Any thoughts on the nap he took on the field while Vick scrambled around forever?

I hate to defend that kind of play, but man, down 30 points in the fourth quarter, and AH gets knocked on the ground in the middle of the field and watches Vick start sprinting to the sideline... it's not too hard to empathize with a guy not getting back up.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Coff

I hate to defend that kind of play, but man, down 30 points in the fourth quarter, and AH gets knocked on the ground in the middle of the field and watches Vick start sprinting to the sideline... it's not too hard to empathize with a guy not getting back up.

On the 50yd. touchdown run by Jerome Harrison that made the score 28-0, I saw multiple payers laying down. Our old standard whipping boy just happened to stand out. My little league team tackles better than # 23. Oh! that's right I forgot, he wasn't brought here to tackle, just to get INT's. Great job.