Politics and Poniz Schemes

[CRedskinsRule]

I am taking bets on this thread now having more posts on:

choices and odds below:

Ponzi schemes..................... 1000-1
Death Penalty...................... 10-1
Little girls and ponies............ 80-1
Pies................................... 100-1

[NC_Skins]

Little girl riding pony bridleless, bareback...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am taking bets on this thread now having more posts on:

choices and odds below:

Ponzi schemes..................... 1000-1
Death Penalty...................... 10-1
Little girls and ponies............ 80-1
Pies................................... 100-1

What if we talk about executing little girls with ponies by drowning them in pie filling?

[JoeRedskin]

Ponzi schemes ... bad.
Little girls and ponies ... good.
Pies ... well, duh.

Oh, and NC_Skins is just wrong - as usual.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Ponzi schemes ... bad.
Little girls and ponies ... good.
Pies ... well, duh.

Oh, and NC_Skins is just wrong - as usual.

How so?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

How so?

In the usual ways - oversimplification of the problems you identify and solutions you propose, displaying a superficial knowledge of the philisophical, factual and historical positions you advocate or attack - that sort of thing.

Let's roll back the justice system to a 4000 year old vengence oriented system - good plan. Wouldn't want moral and/or ethical evolution to get in the way of a good hanging!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

In the usual ways - oversimplification of the problems you identify and solutions you propose, displaying a superficial knowledge of the philisophical, factual and historical positions you advocate or attack - that sort of thing.

Let's roll back the justice system to a 4000 year old vengence oriented system - good plan. Wouldn't want moral and/or ethical evolution to get in the way of a good hanging!

This whole "merciful" injection killing is total horse shit compared to the guillotine. Which form of execution is more instantaneous?

It is a shame executions are no longer public. It would be nice for all to witness the consequences of committing a heinous crime first hand instead of protecting ourselves from the messiness of executions behind closed prison doors.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think NC_Skins isn't as wrong on this one though. Economic crimes should be able to carry more weight at sentencing because of the number of people affected. But if the death penalty lawsuit costs are cost prohibitive now, imagine a DA trying to push it through against a corporate CEO's legal defense team. Even if legal, states simply would never try it, for fear of bankruptcy. And that's using government lawyers fees LOL!!!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think NC_Skins isn't as wrong on this one though. Economic crimes should be able to carry more weight at sentencing because of the number of people affected. But if the death penalty lawsuit costs are cost prohibitive now, imagine a DA trying to push it through against a corporate CEO's legal defense team. Even if legal, states simply would never try it, for fear of bankruptcy. And that's using government lawyers fees LOL!!!

I agree. White collar crimes should carry stiffer sentencing b/c of the number of people they effect, the difficulty in prosecuting them and the chilling effect it would have on executives in their decisions (I may be wrong, but I believe executives would be more responsive to deterrent sentencing b/c they are more likely to respond to the risk/reward analysis necessary for deterrence to be effective than a criminal committing a violent crime of opportunity).

As for the death penalty being imposed when no one has been killed - well, that's beyond an eye for an eye. Deprive them of their liberty for the rest of their life (w/out chance of parole) in an appropriately un-posh jail and I am all good with that.

[mlmpetert]

We had a office celebration day where everyone signed up to bring in a food. I signed up for the apple pie and brought in 8 hot pies from mcdonalds. It cost me 4 dollars and i didn't even have to get out of my car. Everyone still gives me a hard time about it at work

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

We had a office celebration day where everyone signed up to bring in a food. I signed up for the apple pie and brought in 8 hot pies from mcdonalds. It cost me 4 dollars and i didn't even have to get out of my car. Everyone still gives me a hard time about it at work

^^ deserves a death penalty too!!

[JoeRedskin]

I do agree that any of the ill-gotten gains that can be traced should be returned.

I would imagine that tracking the funds received from Petters or groups he fronted, while not simple, should not be an impossible task. I would hope that the Feds, once they have finished the prosecutions (Frank Vennes has yet to go on trial), will aggressively investigate anyone (politician or otherwise) who received money from those convicted of fraud. The politicians in question should search their books and determine just how much they actually received from such groups and work with the Feds to repay (as I am sure the money is now gone) every penny.

[JoeRedskin]

Haven't we had the "Death Penalty" discussion before? In serious depth?

Saden1 - to the extent I endorse the death penalty (and I do in certain limited circumstances - my posts in the prior thread), I agree. If we as a society are going to endorse using the death penalty, then we shouldn't act as if we are ashamed of it. Personally, generally, I got no problem with the guillioutine.

At the same time, executions should not be a spectacle either. The societal decision to kill is not something that should be viewed for it's entertainment value.