Redskins Name Ike Hilliard WR Coach

SmootSmack · 01-24-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Um never, which is my point. I didn't think McCardell would do all that well with whatever coaching he had prior to the Skins if any at all, I'm not holding my breath on Ike either. But one would have to think if any of them (players) had a chance it would be Rice over any of them because all he would have to do is run them through his work out routine which was supposed to be tough and made him and a few others who worked out with him better.

At least Rice stands out. As another poster said Ike really doesn't stand out.

So you choose Rice over Ike because of Rice's workout routine, and pretty much just want to cast aside Ike's coaching experience? I see

Incidentally, I didn't know this but apparently Ike was choice #2 behind Keenan a couple of years ago. Some say he was actually the first choice but turned down the offer

SBXVII · 01-24-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So you choose Rice over Ike because of Rice's workout routine, and pretty much just want to cast aside Ike's coaching experience? I see

Incidentally, I didn't know this but apparently Ike was choice #2 behind Keenan a couple of years ago. Some say he was actually the first choice but turned down the offer

No my point is there have been WR's in the past (I can't remember whom) that have worked out during the summer with Rice in his playing days and basically said his work out routines were difficult and by far the best they have ever had. Plus the few who had said it made them play better during the season. Maybe he's only good one-on-one IDK but he seems to know how to pass on his skill to other WR's which is what I think most of us would want. Which is why I brought up DG. Apparently he knows how to pass on his skills.

As far as Ike, I hope it works out. Just because he had some success with Haslett in the UFL doesn't mean he will do well in the NFL, but I hope he does. We need him to.

I'll agree with you and Matty about one thing though... working their way up through the ranks is how its supposed to happen. Be humble and work your way up... as in any other job. Rice probably wouldn't want to coach and for some reason I picture him commentating for someone. DG could probably do a lot better handing his organization off to someone else to run and doing what you all suggest.... working his way up through the ranks of coaching. Namely for two reasons....

1- he could make decent money to put towards his organization and probably get other players involved as well to support it.
and...
2- when he's interviewing he could (yet again) mention it which would be good advertising.

NYCskinfan82 · 01-23-2012, 06:36 PM

Don't know how to feel about this yet.

Lotus · 01-23-2012, 06:45 PM

Bring back Malcolm Kelly! Ike will make him an All-Pro!

SBXVII · 01-24-2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Bring back Malcolm Kelly! Ike will make him an All-Pro!

To be an All Pro don't you have to actually be on the field and playing though? Oh... unless your refering to him being an All Pro Example as to what not to do then I guess you have a point.

diehard · 01-23-2012, 07:16 PM

You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach and all great coaches have been great players.

mooby · 01-23-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach.

I would say it probably wouldn't. HOF players have a unique blend of talent and smarts. You can teach smarts but you can't teach talent. They probably have a flawed perspective on what it takes to be successful because of their unique talent.

That's partly why I didn't want DG to come here and be secondary coach. He was blessed with unique talent, and I don't think he's qualified to coach at all. He would've had a better shot at becoming coach if he started the right way as a quality control guy then worked his way up the ranks.

diehard · 01-23-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I would say it probably wouldn't. HOF players have a unique blend of talent and smarts. You can teach smarts but you can't teach talent. They probably have a flawed perspective on what it takes to be successful because of their unique talent.

That's partly why I didn't want DG to come here and be secondary coach. He was blessed with unique talent, and I don't think he's qualified to coach at all. He would've had a better shot at becoming coach if he started the right way as a quality control guy then worked his way up the ranks.

Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.

mooby · 01-23-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.

That's great and all, but coaching is just as much about teaching as it is about leading.

Paintrain · 01-23-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.

Not to hear it from his former coaches and teammates.

MTK · 01-23-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach.

Yep, and it's often the great players that don't even make the best coaches.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-23-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yep, and it's often the great players that don't even make the best coaches.

In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...

Paintrain · 01-23-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...

How could you forget the immortal Seahawks QB....Jim Zorn? Stay medium my friend.

freddyg12 · 01-24-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...

To step out of football to reinforce this point, Magic Johnson was very candid years ago about his attempts at coaching. He admitted he just didn't have the patience w/players. Same thing for Jordan when he took to the floor w/the Wizards. While he wasn't the coach per se, having worked in the front office he was expected to mentor & guide the young guys. He had a lot of guys turn on him.

redskin29633 · 01-24-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...

You left off our guy, Sammy Baugh.

01-23-2012, 06:36 PM	#3
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