I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

The Goat · 01-28-2012, 03:58 PM

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

NM Redskin · 01-28-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full. You pretty much see it full of sand.

The Goat · 01-28-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full. You pretty much see if full of sand.

That's excellent...thanks for the chuckle NM! Admittedly I was never a fan of MS. I think of all SB winning coaches in the last two or three decades his are the luckiest, borne of perfect circumstances if you will, rather than his ability, talent, intelligence etc etc.

Also watching the playoffs makes it painfully obvious how bad this team is right now. We're years away from being competitive, assuming we find "the" coach after Mike's done stroking his ego with Danny's money and our beloved team.

NM Redskin · 01-28-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

That's excellent...thanks for the chuckle NM! Admittedly I was never a fan of MS. I think of all SB winning coaches in the last two or three decades his are the luckiest, borne of perfect circumstances if you will, rather than his ability, talent, intelligence etc etc.

Also watching the playoffs makes it painfully obvious how bad this team is right now. We're years away from being competitive, assuming we find "the" coach after Mike's done stroking his ego with Danny's money and our beloved team.

Yeah I can see that MS hasn't done a lot to win over his detractors, especially with his handling of the QB position.

celts32 · 01-28-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Respectfully disagree with every word of this post.

Who said Orakpo wanted to be traded? The Redskins shopping Orakpo and Orakpo wanting to be traded are two entirely different things...

NC_Skins · 01-28-2012, 06:20 PM

Thanks for sharing the intel Smoot. I believe all this info you've gathered is correct and most likely true. However, I would guess and say there is a 5% chance of it actually happening. It reminds me of this interview I saw with a NFL GM one time. He talked about how trades were talked about all the time with teams (hence why we hear all these rumors), but very few actually materialize.

Let's look at the #1 pick. Who outside of AJ Smith has traded the #1 pick away? The Chargers did it twice, and once swapped from 3 to 2. (for Leaf) Yeah, I'm quite positive teams will be talking crazy trades from now till the draft, but I seriously doubt any happen. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic to have Luck on this squad.

Couple things. SC, not sure why your sources keep telling you that "a deal is possibly hours away from being announced" because the league year doesn't begin until March 13th so no deal can be announced till then. Might want to remind your sources next time they tell you that.

Also, Sam Bradford is not worth the #6 pick in the draft this year. As I said before, picks prior aren't worth as much as picks now. Now, had Bradford blown up and had very good progression in those two years, I might would say yes, but as it stands now. Absolutely not. Having the same stats as Colt McCoy doesn't scream valuable to me, not to mention he got hurt as well.

SmootSmack · 01-28-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Respectfully disagree with every word of this post.

Who said Orakpo wanted to be traded? The Redskins shopping Orakpo and Orakpo wanting to be traded are two entirely different things...

All of this and chips and pickles on the side

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-28-2012, 04:03 PM