Griffin's Impact on our Offense

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?

I love Robert Griffin's skillset.
But I would trade him in an instant for Cam Newton.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I love Robert Griffin's skillset.
But I would trade him in an instant for Cam Newton.

No way in hell. I would take RGIII any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Cam Newton. They aren't even close to being the same level when it comes to the secondary aspects (intellect, poise, accuracy)


Also, remember that time that Vince Young won Rookie of the Year award and went to the Pro-Bowl? yeah....so let's calm down on this Cam Newton talk until a further time.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No way in hell. I would take RGIII any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Cam Newton. They aren't even close to being the same level when it comes to the secondary aspects (intellect, poise, accuracy)

lol what? You really don't like Cam and I should just let it go, because we should be celebrating Robert Griffin but c'mon man you make it hard to move on from your outlandish statements.

Cam isn't on the same level as Griffin when it comes to intellect, poise and accuracy?
You know there was no offseason last year right?
And poise, Cam played an enitre college football season under the most intense scrunity I can remember and some of that same scrunity and skeptisim carried over into the pros and he performed at a high level.
If that doesn't illistrate the kids poise then maybe your just blind or a hater.

Accuracy? How many Panthers game did you watch last year?
I hate to mention this but do you recall that game?
He displayed top level accuracy that games especially intermediate to deep.

And how about arm strength, running ability, size?

yeah....so let's calm down on this Cam Newton talk until a further time.

Pot meet kettle.
Robert Griffin is our QB and has a great skillset but can we slow down with the he's better then Cam Newton bit?

As much as I love Griffin, I hope most fans are more realistic then you are.
I hope most fans realize that expecting Griff to have Cam Newton level of production would be a great outcome but its kinda an unrealistic expectation.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?

In a heartbeat.

[sandtrapjack]

I would with hold judgement until I see how RGIII's talents are utilized.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I would with hold judgement until I see how RGIII's talents are utilized.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say bootlegs, pa bootlegs, qb keeper bootlegs, stretch bootlegs, etc...

[Paintrain]

Echoing a couple of things said earlier here, his biggest impact IMO will be on the running game. With a QB that can threaten the edge, the backside end must stay at home as well as the backside LB on some reads. This allows the backside tackle to get out on the MLB which can open up huge cutback lanes for the back. Helu has the potential to break off some huge runs if he can get to the second level quickly and is one on one with a safety.

Once the running game is productive, that opens up the play action and boot action passing game, which Griffin excels in. With his accuracy and deep ball arm, the opportunities for big plays should be plentiful.

[Monkeydad]

Interesting article/analysis on RGIII. Never heard of the Lewin Career Forecast before, but Griffin just scored the highest mark EVER.

Player Year LCF
Robert Griffin 2012 2530
Philip Rivers 2004 2476
Drew Brees 2001 2190
Colt McCoy 2010 2092
Carson Palmer 2003 1973
Peyton Manning 1998 1784
Andrew Luck 2012 1749
Chad Pennington 2000 1678
Brady Quinn 2007 1518
Jason Campbell 2005 1506


FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Interesting article/analysis on RGIII. Never heard of the Lewin Career Forecast before, but Griffin just scored the highest mark EVER.

Player Year LCF
Robert Griffin 2012 2530
Philip Rivers 2004 2476
Drew Brees 2001 2190
Colt McCoy 2010 2092
Carson Palmer 2003 1973
Peyton Manning 1998 1784
Andrew Luck 2012 1749
Chad Pennington 2000 1678
Brady Quinn 2007 1518
Jason Campbell 2005 1506


FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012

thats actually really impressive.
i wanna lock up Griffin so bad man i hate that the Colts pick before us.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

thats actually really impressive.
i wanna lock up Griffin so bad man i hate that the Colts pick before us.

Ok, but that means nothing until he gets to the NFL...and also theres still a couple of QB's names that are on there that aren't good/busts, so yeah this statistic is still meaningless until we see Mr. Griffin come to Washington and play.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ok, but that means nothing until he gets to the NFL...and also theres still a couple of QB's names that are on there that aren't good/busts, so yeah this statistic is still meaningless until we see Mr. Griffin come to Washington and play.

i wouldnt say its meaningless. they have these things for a reason. when your selecting your 2nd pick in the draft you take all things into consideration and intelligence is defintely one of them.

[NYCskinfan82]

IMO RG3 is very intelligent he will probably pick-up most of our Offense fearly quickly, but the thing that will get him is the differenet defensive coverages he will see, that's whats going to take him more time to adapt to atleast a year or 2.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Assuming we draft Griffin, how will it impact our offense this upcoming season, scheme and personnel wise

Its gonna be interesting.
On one hand you have Kyle pass 1st playcalling which results in about 60/40 pass run split.
Griffin's physical talents as a passer would actually support/justify Kyle's pass 1st playcalling.
If the offense stays exactly the same we could see better execution and more explosive plays.

Griffin's running ability is the flip side to the coin.
Griff poses a huge threat the backside contain (DE/OLB) which will slow or prevent the backside pursuit which should make it easier to run the ball.
No team is gonna want to get caught with their backside contain crashing down only to see Griffin keep the ball on a bootleg because something like this could be the result:

You Tube

With the defense forced to play Griff honest it will make it easier to run the ball.
If its easier to run the ball then Kyle might call more run plays which would bring balance to the playcalling and make the play action/boot action passing game much more effective.

But then again, Kyle could emerse himseld in Art Briles offense and emerge with an offense that favors the formations and concepts from Baylor's offense.
And the result could be something like the Bills, Lions, Packers and Panthers all shotgun spread all the time.

[skinsfaninok]

Guys cam is NOT a run first QB, he's pass first

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Guys cam is NOT a run first QB, he's pass first

Not even sure where you get this idea from. In many games, he has just as many rushes as DeAngelo Williams did.