Make your Case for non-HOFer

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinster

None of those guys regularly do it. This last year- Percy had 16, Desean had 17, and Dez had 18. Deion is the closest, but was taken off return duty after his first pro bowl year.

All you said was if it's so important, put your star players out there, which teams do when the situation warrants it.

Special teams are important. Just ask any team that misses a FG in the playoffs or SB, or gives up a return for a score.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Brian Mitchell.. All purpose yards leader for a long time (maybe still).. Record holder for return touchdowns.. 2 time SB champion..

I agree

[skinsfaninok]

Steve Tasker

[Meks]

Fck Michael Irvin.

Barry sanders?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Meks

Fck Michael Irvin.

Barry sanders?

Isn't Barry in?

[skinster]

Donovan McNabb inspired this thread. He might be wrong about him being deserving of being in the HOF, but his comment about how aikman and kelly weren't statistically great made me check it out. He's def right about that. How aikman made one, much less 6 pro bowls is a joke to me. In Aikman's "pro bowl" years, his touchdown passes per season were 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, and 21(his career high)...and its not like he wasn't throwing picks as he had a 8:7 td to int ratio over course of his career. Lavaar didn't end his career...his 7:14 int to td ratio his final season did.

Does the fact that he was a qb of 3 superbowl teams make him eligible for the hall of fame? Maybe, but its debatable. I'd probably vote him in, but not compare him to any other qb trying to make it in that hasn't won 3 superbowls. Aikman didn't make it in the HOF cause of his numbers, and Marino didn't make him in because of his wins. For Donovan is right in saying he was better than Aikman, but to he has to realize that Aikman didn't make it in because he was good; he made it in because of his circumstances, and its just unfair for Donovan to compare himself to him. And his numbers aren't even in the same league as Marino's.

Donovan might not being snubbed, but being on a good team does inflate players statuses too much, and I'm sure there are tons of undeserving players in the HOF, while there are tons of deserving players not in there.

[Leader In Sports]

I will put a disclaimer on this because of my relationship with him, but how is Maxie Baughan not in the HOF:

Maxie Baughan NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

9 Time Pro Bowl Linebacker who also won a championship with the Eagles in 1960. If you take out the year he came to the Skins as a player coach after retiring for a couple of years, he only missed the Pro Bowl his third year and final year.

[imaskin4life]

Bo Jackson would certainly be in the HOF if he took football seriously and didn't play baseball. He only played football half the season due to his baseball career and was not really in football shape.

At the 1986 combine Bo Jackson as a rookie runs a 4.12 40 yard dash - the fastest ever recorded, and by the way - dude is a 230 pound rock. In baseball he would snap baseball bats in half over his head and over his knee regularly.

You couldnt tackle Bo Jackson straight up unless you wanted a separated shoulder or your jaw wired shut. You couldnt tackle him if you had the perfect pursuit angle either because he would easily out run it being the fastest on the field. You just stay the **** out of his way and watch him score because you suck.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

Bo Jackson would certainly be in the HOF if he took football seriously and didn't play baseball. He only played football half the season due to his baseball career and was not really in football shape.

At the 1986 combine Bo Jackson as a rookie runs a 4.12 40 yard dash - the fastest ever recorded, and by the way - dude is a 230 pound rock. In baseball he would snap baseball bats in half over his head and over his knee regularly.

You couldnt tackle Bo Jackson straight up unless you wanted a separated shoulder or your jaw wired shut. You couldnt tackle him if you had the perfect pursuit angle either because he would easily out run it being the fastest on the field. You just stay the **** out of his way and watch him score because you suck.

That seals it for me. I know the measurement of a good baseball player is someone who can snap baseball bats in half over their head. Bo Jackson is definitely worthy of enshrinement.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by mooby

That seals it for me. I know the measurement of a good baseball player is someone who can snap baseball bats in half over their head. Bo Jackson is definitely worthy of enshrinement.

With no hands!

[CrustyRedskin]

Gary Clark vs Lynn Swann

Clark: 11 Years REC 699 YDS 10,856 AVG 15.5 TDS 65

Swann: 9 Years REC 336 YDS 5,462 AVG 16.3 TDS 51

Cant find their playoff stats to compare for some reason.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

Bo Jackson would certainly be in the HOF if he took football seriously and didn't play baseball. He only played football half the season due to his baseball career and was not really in football shape.

At the 1986 combine Bo Jackson as a rookie runs a 4.12 40 yard dash - the fastest ever recorded, and by the way - dude is a 230 pound rock. In baseball he would snap baseball bats in half over his head and over his knee regularly.

You couldnt tackle Bo Jackson straight up unless you wanted a separated shoulder or your jaw wired shut. You couldnt tackle him if you had the perfect pursuit angle either because he would easily out run it being the fastest on the field. You just stay the **** out of his way and watch him score because you suck.

bo was a stud till the injury against the bengals in the playoffs

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by redskinjim

bo was a stud till the injury against the bengals in the playoffs

Yes he was. 4.12 40 yard dash at 230 pounds is scary and video game-ish. He probably won't make it because of how short his career was and because he played only a part of the season each year lol. But anyone who knows football knows that Bo Jackson as a player was unreal.

[Paintrain]

How about Sterling Sharpe? He was one of the top 3 WR for about a 5 year span but had his career cut short by injuries. He's basically the Gale Sayers of the WR position.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

How about Sterling Sharpe? He was one of the top 3 WR for about a 5 year span but had his career cut short by injuries. He's basically the Gale Sayers of the WR position.

We had this discussion a while ago. There is a back log of receivers and he is WAY down the list.