How bad is our secondary?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Seriously, I'm asking those of you who look at film and analyze such things to clue in the rest of us: just how bad is our secondary?

I mean, we just made somebody named Danny Amendola look like Jerry Rice. For goodness sakes, he tied the all-time NFL record for receptions in one half against us! Danny Amendola!

What and/or who are the problems? Is it fixable with the current group of players? What do you think the Skins should do to make it better and save my sanity?

We all knew that this was an issue and it can't be fixed until the off season. Josh Wilson is really the only guy we have that can cover. If anyone can remember Amendola got over on us the last time we play them.

[skinsfaninok]

it's one of the worst in the league, Hall is really the only decent player we have. Wilson always gets beat

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

it's one of the worst in the league, Hall is really the only decent player we have. Wilson always gets beat

ohhhfff.... wheeew... Um... OH you're being sarcastic ... almost got me.

[44 goes 50 gut]

Okay lets look at this at a fundamental level. Since Shanny was hired he has addressed every aspect of the team in 3 years, yes, but secondary is easily the least "worked on" or improved area. When he came in he very obviously felt that Secondary and TE were the only areas that were RELATIVELY set at starter. He even talked publicly about this, placing the other areas of the team at a higher priority in the long term planning (to stop the bleeding so to speak at areas that were far worse off at the time).

So in three years:
QB: multiple moves, multiple top draft picks, trades: Much improved but at a huge price
WR: 3rd round and later picks, top free agent signings: Much improved but still a question mark and at a big Cap hit.
OL: Multiple top picks, trade, might have been hampered by Cap: Work in Progress but improved
DL/LBackers: Multiple top picks, good signings: Much improved but need a top inside LB very soon.
DB: very few picks none high. a lot of "patchwork" temporary fill ins, one good signing, one solid late round draft pick, a LOT of losses: most neglected area of the team.

Drilling down: a few late round picks made. They simply haven't HAD the picks to draft a high prospect DB without sacrificing other areas. Who do you sacrifice and who do you pick in their place? Price Amukamura (injury prone) instead of? Subtract one of Kerrigan, RGIII, J. Jenkins, Trent Williams, or subtract a lesser lower round pick and we don't necessarily get a starter?

Gomes seems like a keeper late draft picks, but they've lost talent at a higher rate than they can replace it. They lost Landry due to chronic injury (and self entitled character). Signed Atogwi, but he didn't work out due to injuries. Lost Carlos Rodgers, primarily because the guy couldn't catch a cold, until he suddenly decided to stop memorizing the eye chart OR he got caught doing it by San Fran, suddenly with improved eye sight, he's got fly paper hands. Still a low character guy, who felt entitled to be paid big by the Redskins despite probably dropping more game finishing interceptions than anyone in Skins history. So of course he talked down on his former team just like Landry, proving that we didn't want him anyway... Not interested in punks who blame everyone but themselves... especially when said punk clearly faked his eye exams or at the VERY LEAST didn't take his poor eye sight into account AFTER HE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, and STILL talked crap about the Skins. Seriously I know there's still some people who liked Rodgers but when you say "there's still guys who want out of there" AFTER you found out your eye sight was bad when you played on that team? That's a b*tch move...

As far as moves they could have made, their were some, they could have resigned Rodgers, except he made it very obvious he didn't want to be here (after the fact see above). Nnamdi was available, not sure why he would have wanted to sign here as opposed to "the dream team"... Otherwise not a lot of Young free agents with upside, except Josh Wilson, who happily DID sign here, in what was undoubtedly an upgrade, as he's now our CB1, he should be a good CB2 though. Not your primary cover corner.

Conclusion: Three years isn't enough time or draft picks to address every area of the team. I conclude this because it's right there in black in white. Point out the starters they should have drafted and then pick who you subtract from the team to draft him.

They have had literally NO chance to use a high pick on a top DB without sacrificing an IMPACT player in other areas that were even less stocked with talent than the secondary was.



The previous administration left them with a big contract (Hall), two low character guys coming into their first free agency with talent but also with clear undeniable issues and zero depth.

[takethecake]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

Conclusion: Three years isn't enough time or draft picks to address every area of the team. I conclude this because it's right there in black in white. Point out the starters they should have drafted and then pick who you subtract from the team to draft him.

They have had literally NO chance to use a high pick on a top DB without sacrificing an IMPACT player in other areas that were even less stocked with talent than the secondary was.



The previous administration left them with a big contract (Hall), two low character guys coming into their first free agency with talent but also with clear undeniable issues and zero depth.

Great post, I completely agree. Another thing to point out is that St Louis did their homework before this game. They knew that if they played a dropback passing game like Brees did last week their patchwork o-line would get destroyed by our pass rush, so they smartly based their offense around 3-step drops. Of course, the fact that we used a soft zone 10 yards off their receivers didn't help either, but basically, St Louis made our secondary look worse by gameplanning to nullify our defensive strengths and exploit our weaknesses.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

it's one of the worst in the league, Hall is really the only decent player we have. Wilson always gets beat

OMG

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

it's one of the worst in the league, Hall is really the only decent player we have. Wilson always gets beat

[MTK]

yeah Crawford played

[MTK]

How bad is the secondary?

Not as good as we thought after week 1, and probably not as bad as we are thinking right now.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How bad is the secondary?

Not as good as we thought after week 1, and probably not as bad as we are thinking right now.

Agreed. If the scheme isn't right, can't always blame the players. I think Haslett stayed with the zone way too long. Plus, sometimes, a team just doesn't match up well with another team. I've seen that happen quite a few times, no matter how good or bad the team is usually.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Outside of Russell Wilson, who wouldn't play here, who is that magical third round pick who is contributing right now.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Outside of Russell Wilson, who wouldn't play here, who is that magical third round pick who is contributing right now.

No one here for sure and then you name a prime example and dismiss him lol. Most are getting playing time, ours is stretching out street cloths walking around looking like a hybrid Grimace and ChumLee. Glad your happy with our CB, Safety, and Tackle talent.

[Ruhskins]

Any word on Josh Wilson's injury? He got a concussion, no?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Any word on Josh Wilson's injury? He got a concussion, no?

Concussion, not yet cleared medically for Week 3.

Griffin would start in his place.

[Evilgrin]

Not as bad as the front 7 was yesterday....