Small WR

[gortiz]

Joe just had a press conference and addressed the WR"s size this year. He said, and I quote "size is not important at WR" then he referenced the Smurfs and Gary Clark as well.

I agree with him, especially if he is calling a good game and has the ground attack going. Guys are going to get open wether they are 5'10 or 6'5.

Hines Ward, Marvin H, Torry Holt are all small guys...who is better then them right now?

[monk81]

Originally Posted by gortiz

Joe just had a press conference and addressed the WR"s size this year. He said, and I quote "size is not important at WR" then he referenced the Smurfs and Gary Clark as well.

I agree with him, especially if he is calling a good game and has the ground attack going. Guys are going to get open wether they are 5'10 or 6'5.

Hines Ward, Marvin H, Torry Holt are all small guys...who is better then them right now?

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH Happy Memories...........the Smurfs..........

[AndySkinUK]

As long as they catch the ball they can be 4ft 10 or 6ft 10 for all i care.

Clark, Sanders and Monk were a great mix of hit, strength and speed, but all 3 had great hands and that is why they were so good.

[MTK]

I said it in another thread that I think this notion that you "need" a big WR isn't true.

Look at the Rams, Holt and Bruce aren't huge guys. Look at the Colts, they don't have any big WR's.

We had Rod Gardner for the last 4 years and he's considered a big possession type, where did that get us?

That being said I'd still like to see us grab Mike Williams, not just for his size but his overall talent and ability.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I said it in another thread that I think this notion that you "need" a big WR isn't true.

Look at the Rams, Holt and Bruce aren't huge guys. Look at the Colts, they don't have any big WR's.

We had Rod Gardner for the last 4 years and he's considered a big possession type, where did that get us?

That being said I'd still like to see us grab Mike Williams, not just for his size but his overall talent and ability.

I agree, plus we need help on O not D! MIke Wiliams seems to be rare talent that you can't pass up on. Is 6'5 accurate? that is sick. I think we did that with Sean Taylor last year...he was to rare of talent to not take a chance on. He will compliment who ever is across from him, and I think he will make an impact by the end of season.

One thing we can't do though is sleep on T. jacobs!!!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I said it in another thread that I think this notion that you "need" a big WR isn't true.

Look at the Rams, Holt and Bruce aren't huge guys. Look at the Colts, they don't have any big WR's.

We had Rod Gardner for the last 4 years and he's considered a big possession type, where did that get us?

That being said I'd still like to see us grab Mike Williams, not just for his size but his overall talent and ability.

This is true, but those are also two teams that play in a dome and play more of a speed offensive game. You can definitely win with smaller WR's if they are good enough, but having a big target definitely helps you out if you are a little lacking in the QB area. Don't you think it would help Ramsey a lot to know that he has a WR that can outfight the DB's for a less than perfect pass?

Also is Holt small? I don't have his bio in front of me but he looks kind of lanky to me. That's not important though.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by celts32

This is true, but those are also two teams that play in a dome and play more of a speed offensive game. You can definitely win with smaller WR's if they are good enough, but having a big target definitely helps you out if you are a little lacking in the QB area. Don't you think it would help Ramsey a lot to know that he has a WR that can outfight the DB's for a less than perfect pass?

Also is Holt small? I don't have his bio in front of me but he looks kind of lanky to me. That's not important though.

Hey Celt's I didn't know you live in hacketstown? I live about 15 or 20 minutes from you in lake hopatcong small world.


I also agree on having that big reciever not that we couldn't win without one, but it seem's to me that Ramsey likes the big guy's he had a lot of success with McCant's in fact it's safe to say he was his favorite reciever that's why it was kind of ironic that Gibb's didn't get him on the field, there are some very big reciever's in this draft I would love to really be able to break down some game film on a few of these guy's to really be able to gauge their talent, one thing I do know is William's has a phenomonal set of hand's, in fact he's a guy who need's only 1 hand to catch the ball couple that with his size and he could be a very unique and dominating force in the NFL.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by offiss

Hey Celt's I didn't know you live in hacketstown? I live about 15 or 20 minutes from you in lake hopatcong small world.


I also agree on having that big reciever not that we couldn't win without one, but it seem's to me that Ramsey likes the big guy's he had a lot of success with McCant's in fact it's safe to say he was his favorite reciever that's why it was kind of ironic that Gibb's didn't get him on the field, there are some very big reciever's in this draft I would love to really be able to break down some game film on a few of these guy's to really be able to gauge their talent, one thing I do know is William's has a phenomonal set of hand's, in fact he's a guy who need's only 1 hand to catch the ball couple that with his size and he could be a very unique and dominating force in the NFL.

Yes, I noticed you were from Hopatcong. There are a few North Jersey guys on this site I think. I am originally from Philly but I have lived in Hackettstown for about 4 years. My wife is from NJ so I agreed to move up here. I went from Birds country to big blue country...

I just think a big WR makes it easier on a QB. The WR has to be good also, not just big. Good point about Ramsey liking McCants best. he clearly had a good raport with Darnerian, and maybe that's becasue Ramsey was confident in being able to hit that big frame without the pressure to be perfect.

I don't think anyone is trying to say that you can't win with small WR's, just that a physically dominating WR can sometimes bail out a QB where a smaller guy can't.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I said it in another thread that I think this notion that you "need" a big WR isn't true.

Look at the Rams, Holt and Bruce aren't huge guys. Look at the Colts, they don't have any big WR's.

We had Rod Gardner for the last 4 years and he's considered a big possession type, where did that get us?

That being said I'd still like to see us grab Mike Williams, not just for his size but his overall talent and ability.

I agree. I am somewhat concerned with Williams' speed but he compares favorably to someone TO. Saying he was playmaker at USC is an understatement and I really see him as the biggest value in the draft this year. This guy is going to be off the board no earlier than 7 and I think will end up being the biggest impact player of the class. Every year there is at least one guy who slips for some silly reason and every team ends up kicking themselves for passing on him. Guys like Moss, Sapp, Roy Williams, Roethlisberger,Freeney,Tomlinson,Culpepper,Gonzale z...the list goes on forever of guys who in hindsight should have gone higher...much higher. Williams is the real deal.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. I am somewhat concerned with Williams' speed but he compares favorably to someone TO. Saying he was playmaker at USC is an understatement and I really see him as the biggest value in the draft this year. This guy is going to be off the board no earlier than 7 and I think will end up being the biggest impact player of the class. Every year there is at least one guy who slips for some silly reason and every team ends up kicking themselves for passing on him. Guys like Moss, Sapp, Roy Williams, Roethlisberger,Freeney,Tomlinson,Culpepper,Gonzale z...the list goes on forever of guys who in hindsight should have gone higher...much higher. Williams is the real deal.

The thing that worries me about Williams is USC is in the PAC 10. Not traditionally the mecca of great defenses. You are only as good as the competition you play against. College defenses and d-backs are already noticeably weaker than in the NFL, add to that the Pac 10 factor. If USC played the Miami's, Florida State's and top SEC teams every year than I would feel like you do about Williams.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The thing that worries me about Williams is USC is in the PAC 10. Not traditionally the mecca of great defenses. You are only as good as the competition you play against. College defenses and d-backs are already noticeably weaker than in the NFL, add to that the Pac 10 factor. If USC played the Miami's, Florida State's and top SEC teams every year than I would feel like you do about Williams.

Oh man... i thought i would have only seen this logic in the national championship argument. But just like that argument, it doesn't hold water when it comes to the individual player. SC has never had a weak out of conference schedule b/c of the perception of the Pac-10... in fact, SC had the toughest rated schedule in the land during Mike's first year, so you can't say he didn't face top-notch college defenders. He faced the likes of Carlos Rogers, Marlin Jackson, Terence Newman, Marcus Trufant, and Ricky Manning Jr. to name a few. If you're only as good as the competition you face, I guess BMW is pretty damn good.

You can say all you want about bad Pac-10 defenses (look at the SEC, who only plays itself- they rarely ever schedule worth out-of-conference games away b/c they lose when they do... the only argument the SEC has is the "we should be able to schedule Div. 2AA Sisters of the Poor U because everyone in our own conference is so much better than the entire country). Regardless of how the Pac's doing, SC plays a tough schedule every year due to the OOC and bowl games.

Michigan, Oklahoma, Iowa, and Auburn (twice) all had fans who questioned the legitimacy of SC b/c of "weak" Pac-10 play before playing the Trojans the past few seasons. The only fans who respected us were VA-Tech's. I don't mean to sound arrogant (Lord knows college ball is cyclical and we're not going to be on top forever... just ask Canesfan hehehe- j/k bro), but I just get irked when the legitimacy of our program or players is questioned due to being a part of the Pac-10.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I would love to see us get Mike Williams as well. With the signing of Patten, taking Williams at #1 won't seem as much of a gamble since we have other pretty damn good receivers backing him up in case he doesn't pan out.

[celts32]

That same wishful thinking is what has me reading Minnesotta newspapers in the first place!

[Defensewins]

This whole talk about a team has to have a big WR is overated. Look at the superbowl MVP, 5' 9'" in his cleats. The Patriots Wr's are all small except for one.

[Big C]

he wasnt hurt last year, he played all 16 games. branch was hurt last year, thus he started 11 games. the year before that he got injured.